[go]$$Wc Score - B: 34, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O W X . p | $$ | . X # X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
This is so obviously odd, I'm suspicious. His hidden move is around here I suspect, and the best response if he has an extra stone is to connect everything. I'll see what he does next ..
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:58 pm
by Phelan
That's his hidden move.
$$Wc Score - B: 34, W: 20 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 34, W: 20 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . 5 X m . . | $$ | . . O . . W X 3 @ 4 . | $$ | . . . . . O X O 2 . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . 1 . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
after 5 game is pretty much over. I hope this does not happen.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:10 pm
by MountainGo
Aphelion wrote:MountainGo, could you show your hidden stone in hide tags? Its really hard to follow the game without knowing.
Well, now you know. I thought it might be fun for people to try to guess based on my comments. I suppose next time I could put a spoiler within a spoiler. I just didn't want to put something like this in a post:
MY HIDDEN MOVE:
Not that I question topazg's honesty, but I think it could be hard for anyone to resist peeking--or just looking by accident.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:13 pm
by freegame
I agree. Having to guess where the the hidden move is based on the players hidden comments is much more fun for the spectators. This time it was so obvious that, if you had read the comments the players made that it was easy to guess the hidden move(s)
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:40 am
by topazg
$$Wc Score - B: 34, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . W . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 34, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . W . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
This game is crazy
Well, there we go, I'm in atari. So I extend, him capturing this stone is devastating, especially as I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:44 am
by MountainGo
$$Wc Score - B: 35, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O B O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 35, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O B O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
This is what I expected. I now feel about 80% sure his stone is on G9. If it is, it seems likely I'll win this game, since we'll have about equal points on the board. I'll be aiming soon to try to solidly connect that probably half-cut kosumi, although if his stone is on G9, it seems very likely that he'll cut next move (which, if my reading is correct, turns out okay for me).
Diagram added:
$$Wc $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . Q X m . . | $$ | . . O 5 4 2 X 1 @ . . | $$ | . . . 6 3 O X O . . . | $$ | p . . 0 7 X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . 8 O B O . . | $$ | . O O m X . 9 . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . Q X m . . | $$ | . . O 5 4 2 X 1 @ . . | $$ | . . . 6 3 O X O . . . | $$ | p . . 0 7 X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . 8 O B O . . | $$ | . O O m X . 9 . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
Haha, twice I edited this post to erase what I had because I saw another move for White that could destroy me, but then I did some more reading and realized it turns out okay.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:56 am
by topazg
$$Wc Score - B: 35, W: 22 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O W . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 35, W: 22 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X . @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O W . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
This prevents him getting to force me onto the "m" point, and allows me to take that "p" point on the right edge, or at least make it hard for him to play there next move.
Ermm.... MountainGo, where did your move go? :S
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:14 am
by freegame
@ MountainGo
MountainGo wrote:(which, if my reading is correct, turns out okay for me)
Just a suggestion, but a diagram of your reading would have been nice for the spectators. now we still don't know what you thought/read
for spectators only
this last move also sets up the ladder. because black has the wrong idea about the hidden move, this could turn out quite nasty
however I think black might now play where the white hidden move is. this seems like a reasonable move for black, had the hidden move not been there
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:58 am
by MountainGo
$$Wc Score - B: 36, W: 22 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X B @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 36, W: 22 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X B @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X . p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
Nice move, Graham. I didn't see that coming. If I know where his stone is, he just set up a ladder to capture G8. This moves escapes it, although he'll be able to make me play the minus zone like this:
$$Wc $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . b 0 . | $$ | . . m O . . P X 6 7 . | $$ | . . O . . 5 X B @ 8 a | $$ | . . . . . O X O O 9 . | $$ | p . . . 4 X O X X 1 p | $$ | . X # X . 3 O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . b 0 . | $$ | . . m O . . P X 6 7 . | $$ | . . O . . 5 X B @ 8 a | $$ | . . . . . O X O O 9 . | $$ | p . . . 4 X O X X 1 p | $$ | . X # X . 3 O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
etc.
My other main choice here is to play F8 myself, but then he gets to take a large upper-right corner.
I also have the option of sacrificing my stones in the upper right and probably forcing him to play the minus zone there, but I think that leaves him with a few more points as compared to this way.
Of course that all assumes my guess for his stone is right. But if I'm wrong, then I probably lose no matter what.
Again, I keep noticing new things when I'm about to post my move. I've probably stopped before hitting submit and gone back to Drago about 10 times on this move. I'm NOT just looking back over the same variations and being indecisive; I'm actually noticing new, important things that I'd missed. It stresses me out, and I'm really trying to learn how to just make a move without worrying about it.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:28 am
by topazg
$$Wc Score - B: 36, W: 23 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X W p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 36, W: 23 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X W p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
Yay Now I get to atari and play to kill that whole Black group in a big way. This game is beginning to look really good for me if he connects.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:45 am
by MountainGo
$$Wc Score - B: 37, W: 23 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X O p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . B . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 37, W: 23 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X O p | $$ | . X # X . . O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . B . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
What are the only three words in the English language that start with dw? They are all ordinary words that any native speaker would know.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:23 pm
by Harleqin
MountainGo wrote:
What are the only three words in the English language that start with dw? They are all ordinary words that any native speaker would know.
I count four, but I am not a native speaker. One might be slang, though.
Re: Batookovich #1: topazg vs MountainGo
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:54 pm
by topazg
$$Wc Score - B: 37, W: 24 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X O p | $$ | . X # X . W O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . X . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 37, W: 24 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . @ . . . . | $$ | . . m O . . . X m . . | $$ | . . O . . . X X @ . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | p . . . . X O X X O p | $$ | . X # X . W O X O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . X . . . | $$ | . . m O # . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
I thought it might be fun for people to try to guess based on my comments. I suppose next time I could put a spoiler within a spoiler. I just didn't want to put something like this in a post: