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39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:11 am
by daniel_the_smith
Kirby has gained a stone from confidence (well, until he reads unkx80's post) and lost a stone on the board, so it's still a 4H game. :)

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:32 am
by Kirby
unkx80 wrote:I leave it to the players to decide whether they want to read this hidden comment.

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the 4 handicap game just became a 3 handicap game.


I decided to read your comment. I was going to ask, "How should we know whether to read it if we don't know about the content?", but quoting your message gives me the message text :-p

It is interesting that you think that it is a 3 handicap game at this point. I hadn't thought that I had made a mistake, yet. I feel like each of my moves were necessary. I'm also surprised that the difference is a full stone...

I'm not sure that I totally agree, but I will try to be careful in the upcoming moves to make sure that I don't make any mistakes (assuming I have at this point... :-p).

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:56 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The benefit of playing here for me is too much to ignore. My groups are all fairly strong, and my center group is also healthy.

The move I'm playing here stakes out potential territory, and keeps white from getting that strong with his left group.

For example, if I pincer his stone, it would be bad for me:
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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this, my two stones in the corner are somewhat weak, I'm sealed in, white gets some influence... All in all, it's pretty bad.

As for supporting the left side, I didn't consider many alternatives to the move that I played. If I kick him, for example, it just strengthens him.

I think that the move I chose is the correct move for this position.

I'm not sure about what other people thing, particularly since unkx80 said that I lost a stone already, but I feel perfectly fine with this board position.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:58 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
one more time.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:10 am
by Kirby
Instinct says to play D10, but my group in the center might get kind of weak. I'll need to give this more thought.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:59 am
by Bill Spight
Kirby wrote:
unkx80 wrote:I leave it to the players to decide whether they want to read this hidden comment.

Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . W X O O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the 4 handicap game just became a 3 handicap game.


I decided to read your comment. I was going to ask, "How should we know whether to read it if we don't know about the content?", but quoting your message gives me the message text :-p

It is interesting that you think that it is a 3 handicap game at this point. I hadn't thought that I had made a mistake, yet. I feel like each of my moves were necessary. I'm also surprised that the difference is a full stone...

I'm not sure that I totally agree, but I will try to be careful in the upcoming moves to make sure that I don't make any mistakes (assuming I have at this point... :-p).


If you have read unkx80's comment, you can read this one, too. :)

I basically agree with unkx80. Maybe the loss does not amount to a full stone, but it's pretty close. It is not just that Black has sacrificed a stone. Black has lost a base, and White has gained a base.

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[go]$$Wc Tewari
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . B X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For tewari I have removed one stone of each color. They are not exactly equal, this pairing favors White by a bit. But now it is clear that the :bc: stone is pretty well wasted. (Yes, it prevents a peek, but the corner is still insecure.)

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:12 am
by Kirby
Bill Spight wrote:
If you have read unkx80's comment, you can read this one, too. :)

I basically agree with unkx80. Maybe the loss does not amount to a full stone, but it's pretty close. It is not just that Black has sacrificed a stone. Black has lost a base, and White has gained a base.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Tewari
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . B X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For tewari I have removed one stone of each color. They are not exactly equal, this pairing favors White by a bit. But now it is clear that the :bc: stone is pretty well wasted. (Yes, it prevents a peek, but the corner is still insecure.)



Hmm. I guess that makes sense. Maybe one of my problems in go is my board evaluation function. I thought that the marked stone was a good move. I feel much more unsafe without it, but I guess it is just a bad feeling that I have :-S

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:14 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have gone back and forth about the move I want to make at least 5 times. I keep going back and forth between two options:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram A
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$$ | . . . B . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram B
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$$ | . . . . . O . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Diagram A is great in the fact that I get a lot of good points. Furthermore, it works great with my top left stone.

It really feels like a good move that I want to make.

But I know that when I do that, white will attack me. For example:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . B . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I can live for sure... But just living is not great. Magicwand will get many forcing moves, and he can build a great deal of power... Just like he has done for the last two games.

I cannot let him have that power, because his group on the bottom right is strong... Furthermore, my bottom right group is strong, but it may become weak if a fight erupts here.

So I decided to go with Diagram B. The good part about this is that it limits his central power. The bad part is, it doesn't gain me a lot of territory, and it doesn't give me a great attack.

The thing that pushed me over the edge in selecting Diagram B was this posting:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=742

I am not sure if I am applying the idea correctly, but it is my attempt to do so.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:17 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i would have played the side if i was black.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:25 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Playing this move makes me completely safe just about everywhere on the board.

I don't have a lot of points, I guess, but at least I am not in danger.

I considered a couple of alternatives:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . a . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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But both of these would allow for white to press me in and make me live very small in the bottom left. I can't go for that. I guess I have to just be patient.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:30 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

although it is a 4 stone he can not protect everything. sooner or later he will have weak group and i will not miss that chance.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:37 am
by Kirby
To observers:
In playing these games, I am kind of curious: What makes me different than Magicwand? I guess you can get a feel for how I play vs. how he plays.

I have always thought that go is all about reading. When I lose games online, I often feel I have been outread... But I don't get this feeling with the Malkovich games, but sometimes I still end up behind...

What is the difference between Magicwand and me in this regard? Is there something other than reading that I am strategically weak at? Any patterns?

People brought up emotions before. Anything else? ... Or is it really all just reading, and I am not reading as well as I think I am?

P.S. If you read this and respond with a comment I can read, please address it "To Kirby", so I know I can read it.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:57 am
by daniel_the_smith
To Kirby:

Magicwand beats you with positional judgement, decisiveness, and experience. His reading is probably a little better, too, but reading isn't what tells you not to do things like that peep you played, or not to just barely live tiny in the center.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:07 am
by dfan
This is a very educational game for people learning about the concept of sector lines.

Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:11 am
by Bill Spight
Kirby wrote:To observers:
In playing these games, I am kind of curious: What makes me different than Magicwand? I guess you can get a feel for how I play vs. how he plays.

I have always thought that go is all about reading. When I lose games online, I often feel I have been outread... But I don't get this feeling with the Malkovich games, but sometimes I still end up behind...

What is the difference between Magicwand and me in this regard? Is there something other than reading that I am strategically weak at? Any patterns?

People brought up emotions before. Anything else? ... Or is it really all just reading, and I am not reading as well as I think I am?

P.S. If you read this and respond with a comment I can read, please address it "To Kirby", so I know I can read it.


To Kirby:

I gather that you are about KGS shodan? Then why are you taking 4 stones from Magicwand?

When I was a up and coming bridge player, I took to heart something that Terence Reese wrote in Bridge for Tournament Players: "The man who plays up to himself is hard to beat." I pass that thought on to you. :)

Magicwand may be overconfident. But that is not just bluster. He is a seasoned veteran. He tested himself, over and over again, against the best players that he could play against. Now when he plays, he is the man to beat. :)
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