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#187 lovelove vs Marcus

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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:29 am
by lovelove
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:47 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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I expect him to net my cutting stones now, and I'll have to decide what to do with sente.

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:49 am
by lovelove
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 3 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:16 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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This is not unexpected. White will attempt to seal me in. I don't intend to just give him what he wants.

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:26 pm
by Unusedname
question for obs

So now that the C6 chain is stronger. and it looks like there is going to be a few cut points at H7 and J8. How afraid should white be of a move at C3?

Can marcus play there right away? or does he have to extend to M3 first?

cause from what i see if lovelove tries to counter attack the E3 group it can either go up and attack the cutting points or go to the right and make a base while pressuring the LR corner

actually while writing this post i had another idea

wouldn't an extension to M3 make miai of both of the bottom 3-3 points?
because in the left white would lose his base and on the right he wouldn't be able to get an effective wall.
edit: nevermind for the 3-3 miai in my mind i had seen black already making a move at R11

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:50 pm
by EdLee
Unusedname,
Unusedname wrote:...a few cut points at H7 and J8. How afraid should white be of a move at C3?
We need to look at the variations and go from there. It's W's turn. Say W extends to :w1: -- now, show your variations. :)
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B X O 1 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:37 pm
by Unusedname
EdLee

well initially i saw something like this

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 6 O . O 4 . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X X X 5 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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2 prevents connecting under
3 threatens to cut
4 threatens to push and cut
5 protects
6 connect

but this looks terrible for white so he'll probably play the ko

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 5 O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 C X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O C O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 X 3 X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 |
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the cut points don't really come into play in these diagrams.
i guess i just mentioned them since they were so close to the area i was looking at.

the ko seems like it's really big for black, taking away white's base, getting a big corner, and settling his stones.

it also feels like the ko is favorable for black since any local threats by white can be settled by finishing the ko
but the same doesn't seem true for white

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O 1 . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 X X X 3 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . 3 . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . O 1 . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]



i'm looking at this right now to see if it's actually a worthwhile threat for black but it doesn't seem like it haha

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:27 pm
by EdLee
Unusedname,
Unusedname wrote:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 6 O . O 4 . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X X X 5 X . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
First feeling: There's a push-and-cut at (a) -- the :bc: group is not completely alive --
and W(b) attacks the bottom B group. :)

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:00 pm
by Dragon Pie
Is it just me or didn't they skip :w37:?

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:08 pm
by The Intrepid
What do you mean? This was :w37:, was it not?
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:09 pm
by Unusedname
EdLee wrote:Unusedname,
Unusedname wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 6 O . O 4 . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X X X 5 X . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
First feeling: There's a push-and-cut at (a) -- the :bc: group is not completely alive --
and W(b) attacks the bottom B group. :)

EdLee,

oops i would have missed "a"

I had considered white playing at "b"
i just assumed black would be okay by pushing up against white and then counter attacking.

but when i make the diagram it doesn't look as good as i thought it would
haha

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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . 6 . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . O . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O O 3 , 7 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X X X . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


oh well, thank you for discussing this with me.

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:25 pm
by Dragon Pie
The Intrepid wrote:
What do you mean? This was :w37:, was it not?
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Thanks, it's because the next diagram by Marcus confused me. It showed 35 36 and 38, but not 37

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:01 pm
by lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O 5 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:18 pm
by EdLee
Unusedname,
Thanks. I don't know what I'm talking about -- just tossing some ideas around. :)

Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:44 am
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had promised myself that I wouldn't try to be clever, but I really feel like this is my answer to a bunch of problems I have in this fight.

First, if lovelove encloses my group, it will have to be done giving me an eye and in gote for him:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X 3 4 , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X 2 1 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . b . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O a . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm sealed in, but I get a chance to come back to my weak cutting stones and attack the group on the left. I think I have enough room for a second eye on the side or in the corner, so the group, while sealed in, is safe(-ish). There's even some cut aji left at 'a' so I can look at trying to exploit that later, though I can't yet see how.

W still has a dangerous attack at 'b', but I think (actually, I'm sure) I can handle that.

I think it's more likely that W will try to erase my eye and continue the fight. Sente is important in this fight, I think, and I don't think lovelove wants to give it up so easily.
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