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Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:29 am
by Magicwand
for obs
below peep can be useful hangma sometime because of riding the rhythm. 10 years ago i would have thought that it is a good way to attack because i make black heavy. my rank didnt change much from 10 years ago. but now my thought is different. It is making black heavy but also it is making it strong. very strong player once told me that he can feel the strength increasing after the peep on similar shape. i didnt feel that before....but now i understand what he meant by that.
so below peep... is it good for white??? very hard to say...but i would be careful with such peep because it might hurt white more than help.
to elaborate on what i said above.. white 4 is most likely course of action after peep. but maybe white want something like below to attack him by taking eye space and stablizing his group. then peep would be a bad move that will take this choice away...
conclusion: i can not say that peep is a good move or bad move...but if i was white i would see what other option is available before making that choice. get in habbit of thinking many different option before placing your move and your go game will improve.
did not consider Ed's last move for some reason. Any (s)lower move for me now, and Black will create a wall here, or with A I'll be pushing the black group towards centre from behind, which does not look good. I tried to check the various cuts against my group here, think I'm ok, let's see. This move has also an effect on right, and if Ed defends right, B seems at least initially playable .
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[go]$$B tenuki $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:33 pm
by Shaddy
Ed:
Do you have any plans aside from escape? What do you want to do with your stones?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:00 pm
by EdLee
Shaddy,
I thought may have miai of something like (a) and (b), but I'm not sure; will find out either after the game, or, when Tim does something soon. Originally, I was worried the bottom may become too big for W; again, I was not sure about this assessment -- dunno if was too deep, too early, or jealous. After , the center group seems OK-ish; there may be some funny business in the (c) area, but again, I'm not sure about the timing. Will have to wait.
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[go]$$Wm44 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O c . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I have a lot of uncertainties in this game; two unfamiliar joseki (UL and LL corners). Mostly I'm treating it as a nice learning experience. Have been looking forward to the review for some time now.
Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:55 pm
by Shaddy
Ed:
Sorry, I wasn't clear: I mean to ask, what are your plans? What do you want to accomplish with your next moves? Are you aiming at anything in particular?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:25 pm
by EdLee
Shaddy,
Nothing in particular -- if I see a weakness, I'll think about how to exploit it, then decide what to do. Otherwise, if there are no weak groups, I'll just try to keep a balance of everything (territory and power); make sure W does not get too big or too thick anywhere, etc.
Re:
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:34 am
by TIM82
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Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:50 am
by TIM82
I can't see a particularly appealing move on bottom. The only relevant cut I see there is at A below. Most other can be solved by playing at A (or B). For the cut at A, I think direct responses fail, but with some moves against bottom right corner I should be ok? I any case, I wanted to get to top corner first.
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seems a bit heavy; for example:
, there's a danger for W that B may be able to close W completely:
tenuki
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was too deep, too early, or jealous.
, the center group seems OK-ish; there may be some funny business
is a common probe. First feeling is the head-butt 