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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:20 pm
by Unusedname
$$Bm21 Game
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let yourself be split in two and take away black's base?
if B splits make the 24 group stronger at a
or if B protects his base connect at b
it seems easy to settle the 26 group.
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:30 pm
by EdLee
Unusedname,
Unusedname wrote: is this [
] too aggressive?
$$W
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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:29 pm
by Annihilist
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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:05 am
by otenki
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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:57 pm
by Annihilist
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Same again.
$$Bm21 Game
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm21 GameMy next thought is either a or b. I'm thinking a, for influence, so he has to come into my area and split my groups up top.
I'm away till around the 8th, then I'll be back.
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:37 am
by otenki
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Ok I thought about this for quite a while. I can start storming the top and left like a crazy guy but I want a stable shape on the right bottom before.
The reason for this is because I want to start a fight which will probably go throughout a larger area of the center and bottom.
If I'm not carefull then my thickness will be erased because of the weakness.
So I'll fix it first before the rage of war starts starts...
This also makes his shape in the corner weaker and surrounded.
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:02 pm
by Annihilist
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I'm fairly sure this is my corner now. I expect him to either close off that open skirt, or tenuki. Tenuki is probably better for white as he now has the advantage of sente.
$$Bm31 Game
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm31 GameI like a as black as my next move. Develop influence towards center, putting pressure on anything trying to invade the topside, and working against his lower-right wall. b is doable too, but I'd play that only if a was taken or if it were really necessary.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:55 pm
by EdLee
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:23 am
by otenki
Sorry for my late reply, I forgot it was my turn.
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This is such a difficult position because we have so many options
- We could create influence to fight on the left side.
- We could expand our framework, forcing black to keep his teritory.
- We could just split the top.
The only thing I'm totaly unintrested in is the right side.
Ok so the first move that comes to mind is leaning on the outside of top left aproaching stone.
This makes the left side weak which should be great for attacking for influence in the center.
Howhever the problem with this is that I give influence to black on the top which is very anoying.
But I cannot have everything, I've learned that much. So what do I do first ?
Splitting the top feels like an option but its so very very goté.
Sigh. What to do ?
I guess I'll just pincer the stone and get a life in the top middle.
This way black does not get to make influence in the center.
OR if he does get influence, it will be influence with aji of white stones there.
Ether way I'll be happy that way.
Now the question is do I want to pincer high, low and how far.
I think i'll pincer far away and on the 3rd line. This move probably does not exist in joseki but screw that
The reason for 3rd line is because I want to make easy life. The reason for far away is so he will probably not pincer my pincer.
And if he should pincer my pincer I have lots of space.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:36 am
by EdLee
otenki,
otenki wrote: This is such a difficult position because we have so many options
- We could create influence to fight on the left side.
- We could expand our framework, forcing black to keep his teritory.
- We could just split the top.
When you say "we," don't you mean "I" (just yourself) ? Who is this "we" -- you and your puppy?
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:45 am
by otenki
For Edlee:
Wow, yes why am I writing this way, I have no idea!
Maybe when I'm playing this malkovich game I never feel like I'm alone at it.
The reason being that I have to explain to someone else what I'm doing so it kindoff feels like other people are also playing only they don't have a say in where the next move goes
We'll (:D) try to refrain from doing so as its very wierd indeed
Cheers,
Otenki
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:58 am
by tj86430
EdLee wrote: When you say "we," don't you mean "I" (just yourself) ? Who is this "we" -- you and your puppy?
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I guess (s)he's member of some royal family, I believe they refer to themselves in plural, even when it is in fact only one person. Or is it reserved only to the reigning monarch?
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:01 am
by otenki
In my language (dutch) we call this royal plural or king's plural.
Since I'm in fact a duke's descendent and not royal blood this can of course not be the case
Cheers,
Otenki
Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:54 am
by ez4u
Obs:
The marked play by W in the lower right corner is a kind of joseki, I guess, in that it has appeared a few times in pro games. It is clearly based on the desire to prevent Black from moving into the bottom, which happens naturally in the more typical variations.
Black should push at least once - White is going to answer at
or "a", otherwise why choose this joseki?
The low play at
below is the most common choice for how to settle the right side. If White answers, drawing back at
is usual then White finishes things up with
or the stylish-looking "b".
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcHere is one example from a no-komi "friendly". Black builds impressive outside influence but White ends with sente to invade the right side.
$$Bc Cho Hun-hyeon 9d - Cho Tae-hyeon 3d, Discovery Showdown, 1986-04-03
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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:02 pm
by Annihilist
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] too aggressive?
is too small and too slow.
or "a", otherwise why choose this joseki? 
The low play at 
below is the most common choice for how to settle the right side. If White answers, drawing back at 
is usual then White finishes things up with 
or the stylish-looking "b".