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Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:02 pm
by hailthorn011
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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:06 pm
by Unusedname
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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Woe woe woe. Not feeling confident.

I mean i suppose he is strengthening me. We'll see if he double hane's but I figure I just keep pushing up and split his group.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:52 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:22 pm
by Unusedname
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . W . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
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again I think his move is strange. It doesn't really force me.

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$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . c . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , b X O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . d . . . . O . . |
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I see two points I want to play

a and one of the atari.

the atari at b and push doesn't work
the atari at c requires me to make a fixing move but lets me into the center

but maybe a takes away aji at d

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 3 X O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
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this is what i'm looking at right now. I feel like 2 is a very strong point that black wants to take so atari in that direction would be poor.

4 seems wrong but it does keep black apart maybe i should play a first followed by 4. something to think about.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:36 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:33 pm
by Unusedname
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W C O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
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I'm not sure how to record prisoners.
Is it, "White has 1 prisoner" or
Is it, "There is 1 Black prisoner."
?
I was hoping you would catch something first so I could follow what you did x]
I'm a little worried.
but I can't not take.

if I respond and he moves this stone out I'm at a major loss.

I was mad most the game that I had a 3-3 stone but I think I'll count my stars. since it should be strong enough to live on it's own.

Surely he will respond to this peep?

else I'll push into his corner and rip it apart.

In hindsight I like his shoulder hit because it gives his stones 2 dimensions. But if he was going to tenuki from this atari I suppose he could have played more severely. Idk.

let's see where we end up.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:14 am
by hailthorn011
I think how you did it is fine. If white captures a stone, put the number for white and likewise for black. That makes sense to me, anyway.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:27 pm
by Unusedname
Wundabar.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:34 am
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . B , O C O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:37 am
by Unusedname
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O W , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm he's ahead on territory.
i'll pull back and aim at the pivot point or along the right side.
that will give me the points to catch up.

I want to make a move at the top but nothing really looks good...

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:08 pm
by Uberdude
@hailthorn:
Why not here?
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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B O C O . O , X . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:15 pm
by hailthorn011
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The previous sequence didn't exactly go as I wanted, so I feel I need to make up for that fact and make some points. Hopefully this is good. And I hope to do something at the top fairly soon....

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:16 pm
by hailthorn011
@Uberdude
In retrospect, I'm not entirely sure. I think a part of me was trying to look out for the 3-3 invasion despite that not being an issue. It was a mistake.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:37 pm
by Unusedname
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i suppose this is the best way to strengthen my group while hurting his. Idk this group still doesn't look very good...
idk what i'll do with it.

I'm not sure what he'll do next.

This game feels very strange for me.

Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 7:15 pm
by hailthorn011
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . B . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . O , X . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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