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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:10 pm
by skydyr
quietimes wrote: $$Bcm20
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm20So, I'm looking at this and saying, wth do I do? If I continue to run, I can hope to get influence in the center. The right side is mine, so black sending a runner between us is diminishing returns, therefore what is his plan there? The longer the run to the center, the better the chance of that group surviving. I guess my plan at this point is to run to the middle then cut behind the upper right star point with a 3-3 joseki or 3-4 and reduce. After that, look to strengthen my position on the lower right vs invade C8-D8.
This idea that "the right side is mine" is quite premature in this case. White is very thin there and if black builds a wall facing that thinness in the process of attacking the center group, black could easily invade there and on the bottom side as well to greatly diminish white's overall prospects.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:13 pm
by ikkyu
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19quietimes: your most recent move is mislabeled as move 21. It should be 20, with my move here being 21. Not that it's a big deal, just FYI.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:01 pm
by quietimes
$$Bcm19
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So here are my thoughts now. Running this line to the end doesn't seem to be the right play, though I have no doubt black will follow me. I thought about making a base starting @ J17
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19However that seemed like a small and conservative move. I looked to the right and felt that there was a risk that black could split my territory Q/R 12.
Probably elephant and mouse analogy.
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19So ultimately I decided to put down some threat with an R16, hopefully forcing black to respond while I reduce and increase my stability in the upper right corner. Still need to figure out how to work the bottom right corner to my advantage.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:05 pm
by ikkyu
$$Bcm19
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:37 pm
by EdLee
ikkyu,
ikkyu wrote: On the bright side, my life issues have gotten better, so now I can sleep at night.
That's nice. Congrats.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:53 pm
by quietimes
Well to be different I will start with my comments first. I think I mentioned doing this same move myself earlier. Maybe not. Very frustrating, cause there is no great move to save this. Black will push me into his influenced area on the top left [read hammer on anvil type strategy].
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19If I extend, which I expect black expects me to do then he will hane and we will have the "box of doo".
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19Which is just messy and small to me for my profit.
So rather than respond as predicted by black, I'm going to reduce, try for a forced response and either make a run to try and save my group or just reduce and come back later to survive. The bottom right corner is still very weak and I don't want to chase dreams when there is big profit in front of me.
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19buuuuuut I could try to persude the run to the left and gain influence on the lower right corner
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1So, I think I will do the last play, commit to the sequence and realize I over-thought the whole thing. blow a gasket and start over again on the next move.
$$Bcm19
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:45 am
by ikkyu
EdLee wrote: ikkyu,
ikkyu wrote: On the bright side, my life issues have gotten better, so now I can sleep at night.
That's nice. Congrats.
I took this out of the spoilers because it obviously doesn't give anything of the game away.
To make a long story somewhat shorter, I've been with my wife for almost 12 years now. A lot can change in that time, especially since we got together when she was 19 and I was 20. We've gone from one side of this country to the other and back. We've gone through job and career changes (When we started, I was a martial arts instructor and she was studying to work in a PR firm. Now I work a general office job and she runs an in-home daycare). We've bought a house and had a kid.
In that time, a lot of conflicts and bad feelings can develop, especially if, like us, you don't make it a point to deal with them when they occur. Instead, we just sort of avoided them or kept them inside until it blew up in our faces. So we're now working through our issues, working on forgiving each other for past transgressions and hurts, and trying to make things better going forward. And while there have been a lot of sleepless nights on both our parts, as well as a lot of stress, we both think this is worth it.
I know this really isn't the place for this, but one advantage the anonimity of the internet offers is the ability to talk about these kind of things openly without too much fear of real-life reprecussions. I live in a small town where telling one person is often tantamount to telling everyone.
So sorry for the diatribe and the spelling errors (I'm a terrible speller).
I promise I'll make my next move after the insanity of the 4th of July dies down, either tomorrow or Saturday.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:32 am
by ikkyu
Got a few free minutes I didn't expect.
$$Bcm19
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:01 pm
by quietimes
So I'm thinking here that the right move is to hane the two stone group with the idea of building influnce to the bottom right corner at a later time. I still feel like I'm at a great deficit here, even though the game is early. My goal is to build the lower right corner and fire some runs along F, H and K lines to reduce black.
$$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19Ofcourse black could just opt to do the same and extend to the left
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1Dunno. could go either way. I believe he is going to prioritize the left middle/corner by pushing into the bottom mid and try to get away with what he can in the lower right corer. Probably make some distracting moves in the upper mid/right side where we ran earlier.
We shall see. Very much enjoying the game however.
$$Bcm19
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:09 pm
by ikkyu
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:09 pm
by quietimes
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1I have no shame is saying I don't know what I'm doing on the coding side. Please feel free to correct Ikkyu.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:53 am
by ikkyu
$$Bcm29
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm29Don't worry about it. You're doing better than I did the first time I played one of these.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 pm
by quietimes
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:13 pm
by skydyr
quietimes wrote: So, a little doubt here. I see black building a wall and influence as predicted to control the left lower corner and side. Doubt because he blocked my lanes for a reduction run up the left side. My thought on this play is to push a little more into his territory, thereby hopefully increasing my hold and forcing a response out of him.
If this works, will decide between rounding on the upper right stone to steal the corner or reduce the left upper middle with my 4 stone runner.
Still concerned about the right lower corner but I dont want to give away sente. If I take the move to defend, it will likely be a two point jump out the side. Far enough for influence, close enough to support each other.
$$Bcm29
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm29I'm a little surprised that no one is paying attention to the status of that 4 stone group, which currently has no eyes and is getting surrounded more and more. Playing to make eyeshape there seems urgent and doubles as a reduction. The more white plays on the outside, the more black does, and that hurts white's inside group as black gets stronger.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:23 pm
by ikkyu
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