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#230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

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Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:43 am
by moyoaji
Sorry this took a while. I've been busy with the holidays this week. Should be back to normal daily replies next week.

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The one point jump. My opponent probably never saw this coming. :roll:

Two reasons for this move:

1. I want to keep up with my opponent in getting out toward the center.
2. I want my options for exploiting weaknesses to stay open on both sides.

For this reason I did not want to poke, attach, kick or otherwise harass my opponent on either side. Let's see what he does, then I'll take advantage of weaknesses on the side he did not help.

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:34 pm
by hailthorn011
No worries. Take your time.

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Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:02 pm
by moyoaji
The question I have now is this: can I be satisfied by taking white's corner away?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Not sure if white would make the :w6:, :w8: for :b7: exchange...
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$$ | . . O 3 2 O . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . 5 O 1 4 . X . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
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This result looks good, but it leaves my two stones very weak and it seems easy, if white steals sente, for him to connect his stones back.

For now, I'll call this Plan B. Let's see if I can find something better.

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:10 pm
by moyoaji
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I have found nothing better for the first move, but I am now looking at this...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Marked stones are 11 and 12.
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$$ | . . O 7 2 O 4 6 9 , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 3 5 X B O . . . . . X O . . |
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Not sure how sound this is, but it might be another option. Were white to connect at :b7:, I would connect my stones up and use the strength against the right side stones.

I may go back to Plan B, but this was the best "Plan A" I could find...

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:18 pm
by Bill Spight
I like :b45:. :)

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:06 pm
by hailthorn011
So sorry for the lag! It's been that time of the year.

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$$ | . . O X . . . 3 . 2 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 6 . 1 . O . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm pretty sure I've messed up more than a few times. I'll keep going though and see where this goes. Probably nowhere good, though.

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:34 pm
by moyoaji
No worries. Malkovich games aren't about playing quickly. :)

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I did not consider this move by white, but I don't think it's that great. After blocking me, I can cut on either side and his position will not be very good.

I feel his move is violating the principle that you should keep your stones connected and your opponent's stones disconnected. He is forcing me to put him in broken shape, while allowing me to connect back.

Maybe my move isn't the strongest there is here, but I think it's pretty good.

Re: #230 Moyoaji vs Hailthorn

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:20 pm
by Uberdude
Actually white can just manage to keep everything connected as d4 is atari, but black can get strong around and nice b5 yose in sente.
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