[go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 2 1 3 5 X . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O X . X . 4 X X O X O X . . . . | $$ | . X X O X X X X X O O O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O O , . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . O . . X . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think it's Seki in Gote. Thruth be told, I didn't read this out. I knew, I had some bigger endgame involving a throw-in and I was satisfied with the position (yeah, Kageyama would expell me from his school ^^).
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:40 pm
by dedroid
yea, doesn't affect the game too much at this point lol
and i think at m19 is instead played at f19 might kill or sente seki. pretty interesting problem i think.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:58 am
by SoDesuNe
Yeah, my first two rated games since a long while. Two losts, back to 4k. I guess, I have to take that back with "almost 2k".
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:44 am
by SoDesuNe
Finished "One Thousand and One Life-and-Death Problems" today. Out of 1001, I had approximately 32 (maybe three more, I got confused once along the way) wrong. Now I'll do a second reading of "Making Good Shape".
As for playing rated games: Everytime I do so, I play unthinkable sucky. Twice I could just save the game because my opponent played even suckier while having an almost won game (giving me a Ko, where no Ko exists or by killing half the board because he let me cut him for no reason).
I don't know, maybe people play more serious in rated games or I play much weaker. Time will show.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:24 am
by SoDesuNe
Just finished my second reading of "Making Good Shape". I did considerably better than the first time, where I got like 30% of the moves right. Now it's more like 50%. Still some problems are just above me, mostly when it comes to make shape for a weak group by playing a very strange move which has at first nothing to do with the local situation. It seems that these couple of problems are a bit off because the presented moves really only work in this special situation. But maybe it should teach to always search for such strange moves ^^
Now, I actually wanted to give "501 Tesuji Problems" a new try, but somehow I like Maeda's Intermediate Level Problems more for the moment, so I go with those. I think it will be a change, more reading and less guessing =D
As for playing games, I'm a bit short on time at the moment, so I still hold onto my 3k rank. But I'm confident, I will reach 2k, when I'm going to play rated games, at least I have a good score against 2ks.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:24 am
by SoDesuNe
Maeda's Intermediate Level Problems is a funny book. Said to offer problems from 7 Kyu to 2 Dan and which problems do I get mostly wrong? The easy ones oO I'm far more successful with the problems around 5-7 (the book structures the problems in circles of ten, one is the easiest problem, 10 the most difficult), every so often I even get the last problems right.
But I like the book it really is fun : ) If it has some benefit for my Go, I don't know. Yesterday I only put myself in Atari and not just some unimportant stones, no, four cutting stones with a ~20+ point value. The very same game, I did not kill a group of my opponent but was focussed of just cutting his tail... Again something like 20 points? ^^ Lucky for me I could win the game with a little nasty sequence shown below (yes, my opponent should have read that out and he could have won with Komi).
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . . . X . X X . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . X . X O O X X X X . | $$ | . O X O X . . X . X X O O . X , X O . | $$ | O X X O X O O X . X O . O . O X O O . | $$ | . X . O . X X O O X O . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . O . . O O X O . | $$ | . . X . . X X . O . . . O O . X . X O | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . O , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X O O . . . . . 6 . . . O . X . . . X | $$ | O . . . . . . 5 O 3 . . . O . . X X O | $$ | . O . . . 7 O O X 4 O . O . . O O O O | $$ | . . . . 1 O . . X . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O 2 X O O X , . O . . . X X O O | $$ | . . . O . X X X X O O . O X X X . X O | $$ | . O . O X . O X . X O . O O O X X . X | $$ | . . O X X . X . . X O . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . . . X . X X . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . X . X O O X X X X . | $$ | . O X O X . . X . X X O O . X , X O . | $$ | O X X O X O O X . X O . O . O X O O . | $$ | . X . O . X X O O X O . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . O . . O O X O . | $$ | . . X . . X X . O . . . O O . X . X O | $$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . O , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X O O . . . . . 6 . . . O . X . . . X | $$ | O . . . . . . 5 O 3 . . . O . . X X O | $$ | . O . . . 7 O O X 4 O . O . . O O O O | $$ | . . . . 1 O . . X . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O 2 X O O X , . O . . . X X O O | $$ | . . . O . X X X X O O . O X X X . X O | $$ | . O . O X . O X . X O . O O O X X . X | $$ | . . O X X . X . . X O . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:20 am
by SoDesuNe
If you have some spare time, try to rank this problems please while soving them.
$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . $$ . X . O . O B . O . . $$ . . . . . O B B . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . $$ . X . O . O B . O . . $$ . . . . . O B B . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
2k-1D says Maeda. Took me one minute because there is only one move to consider and than this is a one-way-road.
$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ . . . O O X . X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X W . | $$ . . . O X W . W X W . | $$ . . . . X W . W W W . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ . . . O O X . X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X W . | $$ . . . O X W . W X W . | $$ . . . . X W . W W W . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
2D says Maeda. Again it took me one minute because this kind of Tesuji is somewhat well-known.
$$Bc Black to kill $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ . . . X O . . . O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Bc Black to kill $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ . . . X O . . . O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Around 5k says Maeda. I couldn't even find the correct first move...
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:48 am
by aurik
$$Bc Killing $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . 2 . . 5 . | $$ . . . X O 3 1 4 O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Bc Killing $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . 2 . . 5 . | $$ . . . X O 3 1 4 O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
W cannot block due to a liberty shortage. This did take me a while to find, partially because I found this ko first and started looking at other starting moves.
$$Bc Ko $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . 2 3 . . . | $$ . . . X O 4 1 . O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Bc Ko $$ ----------------------- $$ . . . . O . 2 3 . . . | $$ . . . X O 4 1 . O O X | $$ . . . X X O O O O X . | $$ . , . . . X X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:00 am
by aurik
$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . . 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X 8 | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O 9 | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . . 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X 8 | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O 9 | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Again this took me a few minutes because of I couldn't see that W doesn't need to connect under right away (which leads to failure)
$$Wc "Blind spot" line: W needlessly gives up a liberty. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . O . . 3 . | $$ . . . . . 1 X O O X 4 | $$ . . . O O X X X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O 5 | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 2 O O O 6 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc "Blind spot" line: W needlessly gives up a liberty. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . O . . 3 . | $$ . . . . . 1 X O O X 4 | $$ . . . O O X X X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O 5 | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 2 O O O 6 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
$$Bc Under the stones: W can make life at the marked black stone or connect out at a. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . O . . O 4 | $$ . . . . . a X O O B X | $$ . . . O O X X X O X 2 | $$ . , . . O X . X X O O | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 3 O O O 1 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Bc Under the stones: W can make life at the marked black stone or connect out at a. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . O . . O 4 | $$ . . . . . a X O O B X | $$ . . . O O X X X O X 2 | $$ . , . . O X . X X O O | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 3 O O O 1 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
$$Bc Failure: W cannot save 2 stones. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . 5 O 4 3 O . | $$ . . . . . . X O O X X | $$ . . . O O X X X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O O | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 2 O O O 1 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Bc Failure: W cannot save 2 stones. $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . 5 O 4 3 O . | $$ . . . . . . X O O X X | $$ . . . O O X X X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O O | $$ . . . O X O X O X O . | $$ . . . . X O 2 O O O 1 | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:17 am
by SoDesuNe
Your first one is right! What do you say, for which strength is the problem?
aurik wrote:
$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . . 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X 8 | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O 9 | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . . 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X 8 | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O 9 | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . 8 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X . | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O . | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . 5 . 8 7 . | $$ . . . . . . 4 3 O X . | $$ . . . O O X 2 X O X . | $$ . , . . O X 1 X X O . | $$ . . . O X O 6 O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
What about here?
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:54 am
by aurik
The third one I'd set around 3-5k. Finding and moving past the ko without rejecting the first move is the hard part. The other initial moves are fairly easy to refute.
$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . 3 2 1 O X . | $$ . . . O O X . X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ . . . O X O . O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wc White to save the marked stones $$ ---------------------- $$ . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . 3 2 1 O X . | $$ . . . O O X . X O X . | $$ . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ . . . O X O . O X O . | $$ . . . . X O . O O O . | $$ . . . . X X X X X X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
I couldn't refute at all, so how about this? B doesn't have a move--if atari on the Q18 or N18 groups, P16 is connect-and-die. If extend to P19, throw in at P17 and B cannot survive.
I would never see this solution in a game (yet) so I can believe it is higher than 3k.
I can't get the first problem at all, it makes me feel dumb--there just isn't all that much to the problem. Obviously I'm missing something.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:05 pm
by Simba
Here's the solution to the first one. Found this one pretty easy, did it pretty much instantaneously but it's a really common tesuji and not too hard to read. I would rate it maybe 7-10k.
$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I've not tried the second one yet. The third one I would say was much, much harder than the first (I found a ko very quickly but finding the solution was very tricky, took several minutes. My instincts gave me the correct first move right away but after I found the ko I was like "hmm..." and dismissed other moves before going back to it.
Third one I'd say is maybe 1d level? Pretty misleading with that ko.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:09 pm
by SoDesuNe
aurik Yes, these are the right moves. Congratulations : ) You can see the estimated ranks (from the book) for the individual Tsumegos within my hide-tags. Although I find those a bit off, but maybe I'm just better/familiar with certain shapes like diagramme 1 and 2.
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:10 pm
by SoDesuNe
Simba wrote:Here's the solution to the first one. Found this one pretty easy, did it pretty much instantaneously but it's a really common tesuji and not too hard to read. I would rate it maybe 7-10k.
$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I will not accept the answer as shown, because you left out the tricky part :P
Re: SoDesuNe paves his road to Shodan
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:29 pm
by Simba
SoDesuNe wrote:
Simba wrote:Here's the solution to the first one. Found this one pretty easy, did it pretty much instantaneously but it's a really common tesuji and not too hard to read. I would rate it maybe 7-10k.
$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 . 5 . . . . $$ . X . O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I will not accept the answer as shown, because you left out the tricky part
Is this what you were after?
$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 7 5 . . . . $$ . X 6 O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc Black to save the marked stones $$ --------------------- $$ . . . . 4 7 5 . . . . $$ . X 6 O 1 O X . O . . $$ . . . 3 2 O X X . . . $$ . . . X X X O O O . , $$ . O . . . . . . . . . $$ . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I suppose you could be greedy and try to block with 7, but then white plays at black 7 and we have an "oops" moment .
If that's not what you're after, maybe I'm missing something .