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OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers. On KGS "0:45 (5)" means you have 45 seconds left and 5 byo-yomi periods remaining, wait a minute and it'll say "0:45 (4)", another minute to "0:45 (3)", then "0:45 (2)", then "0:45 SD", then you lose 45 seconds later if you didn't play in time, or it goes back up to 1:00 SD if you play in time. On OGS the equivalent clock display is "0:45 + 5 x 60s", then "0:45 + 4 x 60s", then "0:45 + 3 x 60s", then "0:45 + 2 x 60s", then "0:45 + 1 x 60s" then 45 seconds later you lose. My initial understanding of that final display is that I have 45 seconds and one more 60 seconds period remaining after that if I take more than 45 seconds (because I read it like maths: 45 + 1 x 60 = 45 + (1x60) = 105 total time remaining, it's the plus sign that's misleading), but you don't, The OGS display is in some ways more logical because the KGS one doesn't distinguish between 45 seconds left of absolute time and 45 seconds left with 1 renewable byo-yomi period, but it's quite a dangerous gotcha that I hope both players are aware of. Is it the player's responsibility or the organisers to ensure this is understood?

P.S. I like Fox's display, in final byo-yomi it says "Byo-yomi 1x, 0:45" and then elsewhere on the screen has the game settings "6.5 komi, 1 hour, 5 x 1 min".

P.P.S I'm wondering should I send Ali a message about this, or does that actually hurt his winning chances: in the event he times out because he is misled by the confusing clock he could no longer claim ignorance and, echoing the Mateusz ruling, that means he accepts the bad conditions. But if Eric loses on time because of a confusing clock he can claim he didn't know about the bad user interface and therefore should get a rematch. So if I want Ali to win I should tell Eric, ignorance is bliss!

Uberdude wrote:OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers. On KGS "0:45 (5)" means you have 45 seconds left and 5 byo-yomi periods remaining, wait a minute and it'll say "0:45 (4)", another minute to "0:45 (3)", then "0:45 (2)", then "0:45 SD", then you lose 45 seconds later if you didn't play in time, or it goes back up to 1:00 SD if you play in time. On OGS the equivalent clock display is "0:45 + 5 x 60s", then "0:45 + 4 x 60s", then "0:45 + 3 x 60s", then "0:45 + 2 x 60s", then "0:45 + 1 x 60s" then 45 seconds later you lose. My initial understanding of that final display is that I have 45 seconds and one more 60 seconds period remaining after that if I take more than 45 seconds (because I read it like maths: 45 + 1 x 60 = 45 + (1x60) = 105 total time remaining, it's the plus sign that's misleading), but you don't, The OGS display is in some ways more logical because the KGS one doesn't distinguish between 45 seconds left of absolute time and 45 seconds left with 1 renewable byo-yomi period, but it's quite a dangerous gotcha that I hope both players are aware of. Is it the player's responsibility or the organisers to ensure this is understood?

A competent organizer would make this known to the players.

P.P.S I'm wondering should I send Ali a message about this,

I would send a message to the organizers or the referee. We do not want another incident, which might sink this tournament.

Bit of an upset in the Amsterdam tournament running at the moment.

Ali Jabarin lost to Stephen Hu, 5 dan, in the second round.


Lets hope it doesnt affect his confidence for sunday

Aram wrote:Bit of an upset in the Amsterdam tournament running at the moment.

Ali Jabarin lost to Stephen Hu, 5 dan, in the second round.

Stephen puts on such a good show of being slightly befuddled during his broadcasts that I forget he is actually a pretty good player.

Schedule of Amsterdam tournament:

Sunday, June 2
09:30 – 13:00 Round 6
14:00 – 17:30 Round 7 --- Live commentary of the final by Rob van Zeijst 7d
17:45 – 18:15 Prize-giving ceremony

If Ali is playing in those 2 rounds he's going to be tired and not in a good condition to play another gruelling game at 8pm

Uberdude wrote:OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

I agree that "0:45 + 1 x 60s" really should mean that you have one period in reserve after using this one up.

Uberdude wrote:Schedule of Amsterdam tournament:

Sunday, June 2
09:30 – 13:00 Round 6
14:00 – 17:30 Round 7 --- Live commentary of the final by Rob van Zeijst 7d
17:45 – 18:15 Prize-giving ceremony

If Ali is playing in those 2 rounds he's going to be tired and not in a good condition to play another gruelling game at 8pm

Indeed.. imagine the transatlantic match ending at around midnight for Ali, and him having played 3 rounds during the day...

dfan wrote:

Uberdude wrote:OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

There is none, you cannot distinguish these 2 situations!

P.S. I've posted a reply to the official facebook post about the confusing clock and other concerns.

Uberdude wrote:

dfan wrote:

Uberdude wrote:OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

There is none, you cannot distinguish these 2 situations!

Uberdude wrote:P.P.S I'm wondering should I send Ali a message about this, or does that actually hurt his winning chances: in the event he times out because he is misled by the confusing clock he could no longer claim ignorance and, echoing the Mateusz ruling, that means he accepts the bad conditions. But if Eric loses on time because of a confusing clock he can claim he didn't know about the bad user interface and therefore should get a rematch. So if I want Ali to win I should tell Eric, ignorance is bliss!

It'd be more clear to say, if you message Ali about this, and Ali is still confused about the clock, he should bring it up to the organizers, and they should work out a resolution to resolve the confusion. Why would Ali proceed with the game in a state of confusion, without trying to resolve it?

If I tell you to watch out before crossing the road, because a bus is coming, why not try to do something to avoid the bus?

Kirby wrote:If I tell you to watch out before crossing the road, because a bus is coming, why not try to do something to avoid the bus?

OC, if your grandmother is handy, . . .

Ali Jabarin (W) vs. Eric Lui (B)

https://online-go.com/game/18114039

https://www.twitch.tv/usgoweb

Bonobo wrote:Ali Jabarin (W) vs. Eric Lui (B)

https://online-go.com/game/18114039...

Lui gave up a huge corner for a wall.

EDIT...and won.

French commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/HisokaH

I see Eric won.