I tried to read out tactical alternatives to the obvious response, and strategic alternatives to staying connected. Even with D6, they are able to cut us off from the corner, so if we want our groups to stay solidly connected back to a living group, this is very important. If we allow a cut, then we may run into liberty problems with the 10 o'clock center group, and may be forced to make life under disadvantageous conditions in the lower left. The key problem with playing this way is that W can choke off our access to the center. But if W cuts of our center stone, we can then seek compensation in both corners, and may still end up able to make a small living group on the bottom (because it will still be essentially empty). If my previous estimate was correct, W needs to make a huge amount of net territory on the bottom half of the board to win: "large" won't cut it.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:21 am
by daniel_the_smith
Approved.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:47 pm
by Violence
Approved.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:49 pm
by Chew Terr
$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . W , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . W , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My first instinct was something more 'normal', like J4, but I kind of liked the idea of F5. It threatens to make a big wall on one side, or cut and maybe kill on the other. However, I decided that it probably couldn't kill on the left, so it failed. I'm going with the safer move.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:43 pm
by Aphelion
My move:
$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . W . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . W . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:25 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve.
I assumed that our general strategy was to take make our two stones into a stable group and take quick teritory on the side. Then any invasion of the side could not manage a two-space extension. So I wanted to play low. But Shapenaji is suggesting a more central fighting strategy, so a high move seems reasonable.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:14 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Bump.
Shapenaji?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:03 pm
by shapenaji
Sorry, got busy there for a second.
Approved.
I'd like to move this one, but it's not worth the 4 points to move it to H5
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:38 pm
by jts
Q3
I'm not sure if this sort of probe works when there's no shimari; but I don't see why it shouldn't. If W takes influence facing up, he's massively over concentrated. If he gives us a position on the side, we can do a lot of damage to his potential.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:50 am
by daniel_the_smith
$$Bcm144 Move 143 W70 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm144 Move 143 W70 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . W W . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm144 Move 143 W68 B65 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . W X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . W W . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I debated between these moves. I was going to pick 'a' because 'b' seems to commit us to living on the side, but then I saw the move on the board and 'b' looked best. My first thought was 'c', but that puts us in a bad position-- after white kicks, I think white can just pincer without defending the corner due to how close the stones are. I'm changing the move so Violence doesn't have to pay so much to change it, and because I don't see Q3 turning out well for us (if I were white I would try to kill the whole thing).
But I'm not sure about that. I'll be surprised if Violence doesn't change this...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:33 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
*bump*
Violence? It's your move.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:50 pm
by Violence
The one requires reading again... I need some time, sorry.
stones are. I'm changing the move so Violence doesn't have to pay so much to change it, and because I don't see Q3 turning out well for us (if I were white I would try to kill the whole thing).