Life In 19x19

With what happened in a certain earlier game, i find it rather odd and amusing that some people on OGS and Twitch are suggesting that Ali should resign and not play to the end...

You know.. if there is a large 10-ish point difference, how could the game result ever change?

Are the variations from the live commentary being officially recorded somewhere? I missed much of the beginning part of the commentary.

I know they may eventually make the video commentary available on youtube, like they did for the first 3 games: https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb but that seems to be done with a great delay (game 4 is not available there yet).

Well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that some hypocritical commenters insisted that Lui should have resigned when significantly behind during overtime in game 4 but didn't then say that Jabarin should resign when more than 20 points behind in game 5. Or maybe Jabarin was hoping that Lui might lose due to running out of time; it was completely within his right to play to the end. Anyhow, it's good to have the game played without any foolishness. We can look forward to the next game.

I remember that decades ago the great Japanese champion Sakata played a tournament game all the way through the counting at the end to lose by more than 10 points. No one suggested that Sakata should have resigned earlier.

Congrats to Eric Lui!

sorin wrote:I know they may eventually make the video commentary available on youtube [...] but that seems to be done with a great delay (game 4 is not available there yet).

There are programs and websites that allow you to download twitch videos. I'm not sure of the policy L19 regarding that, so I'm not publishing them here, but you can find them. The only thing is that twitch makes for rather "fat" videos, you'll have to pass it through a converter.

Take care.

gowan wrote:Well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that some hypocritical commenters insisted that Lui should have resigned when significantly behind during overtime in game 4 but didn't then say that Jabarin should resign when more than 20 points behind in game 5. Or maybe Jabarin was hoping that Lui might lose due to running out of time; it was completely within his right to play to the end. Anyhow, it's good to have the game played without any foolishness. We can look forward to the next game.

I remember that decades ago the great Japanese champion Sakata played a tournament game all the way through the counting at the end to lose by more than 10 points. No one suggested that Sakata should have resigned earlier.

You can't expect same fairplay after Surma defeat than before.
Yes, Jabarin behavior was unfair, but fairness in this tournament is dead.

The people did not blame Eric for not giving up but for having preferred the victory by disconnection to the defeat on the goban.

Fenring wrote:Jabarin behavior was unfair, but fairness in this tournament is dead.

How was Jabarin's behavior unfair?

Unfair to continue hoping win by time or disconnection.

Fenring wrote:Unfair to continue hoping win by time or disconnection.

I was unaware that he hoped to win by disconnection. But as far as winning by time is concerned, that's part of the game that everybody has agreed to. I don't know whether he hoped to win by time, either.

as already said, fairness/fairplay is not all that is allowed by the rules

Based on Ali's Facebook post, he seemed to be a good sport about the whole situation, so I’m pretty sure he played with fair intentions.

I’m glad we were able to have a game without time troubles this time. Though, it does make for a quieter thread on L19 :-p

Fenring wrote:as already said, fairness/fairplay is not all that is allowed by the rules

Well, IMHO it is not fair to Jabarin to do mindreading on him.

Bill Spight wrote: Well, IMHO it is not fair to Jabarin to do mindreading on him.

I can grant you that a pro can refuse to surrend for better reasons:
We can see in 2019, old famous pros are over-represented in loss by more than komi, probably because its a way to recognize the new generation.

But here what could be the reason?
De you have a better explanation?

On the last 1000 pro game none reaches a difference of 15.
So for you its a pure coincidence if the only game on thousand its in this transatlantic?
From a player who declare he can't understand why american players appeal the first decision of the referee?

I don't say that to blame Jabarin, as already said, after American appeal, fairness/fairplay can't be expected in this tournament.

Given the new rules, I don't think a win a disconnection would have been possible. Remains the possibility to win by time.

Would it be unfair to win by time against an opponent who previously won by disconnection?

Fenring wrote:

Bill Spight wrote: Well, IMHO it is not fair to Jabarin to do mindreading on him.

I can grant you that a pro can refuse to surrend for better reasons:
We can see in 2019, old famous pros are over-represented in loss by more than komi, probably because its a way to recognize the new generation.

But here what could be the reason?
De you have a better explanation?

All you have to do is ask the guy.