[go]$$Wc $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O X X . 2 1 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 6 4 X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 3 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:23 am
by Joaz Banbeck
More speculations on the theme:
If N1 is indeed the vital point, it might be best for black to take it first. The diagram below shows this attempt. The natural replies by white can lead to a surprisingly easy life:
$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O X X . 3 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 4 . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . 6 5 4 . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O X X 8 2 3 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:57 pm
by jts
there is no way in hell my move is worth FOUR post from joaz...... doesn't he have taxes to do or something?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:44 am
by Prodigious
I see very little chance of black actually dying, but white might become strong enough in the process that E9 would become a serious threat. This game is just getting interesting...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:37 pm
by schultz
Prodigious wrote:
I see very little chance of black actually dying, but white might become strong enough in the process that E9 would become a serious threat. This game is just getting interesting...
Magicwand pointed that out as well. This is definitely an exciting game, and one I've enjoyed watching quite a bit.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:55 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
...Daniel?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:33 am
by daniel_the_smith
...Accepted. (Sorry for delay, been busy...)
I really don't like this move, but I'm extremely indecisive. Here are three things I thought about:
$$Bc Or some other 5. My first thought. Seems much better? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 2 1 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Or some other 5. My first thought. Seems much better? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 2 1 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc I think this 2 is much more probable than jts's sequence. I don't think we can live locally. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . 1 . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc I think this 2 is much more probable than jts's sequence. I don't think we can live locally. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . 1 . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (con't, option 1) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 5 . 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 4 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 O . . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (con't, option 1) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 5 . 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 4 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 O . . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (1b) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 4 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 O 5 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (1b) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . O 3 . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 4 1 2 X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 O 5 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (con't; option 2) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . 9 O 3 4 . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 1 2 X 6 . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 7 O 8 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc In my own game I'd play this. (con't; option 2) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . 9 O 3 4 . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 1 2 X 6 . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 7 O 8 . . X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess option 2 gives white too much unless we can kill the lower left.
I have no idea what's best. I'll let Violence fix it
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:09 am
by jts
Violence...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:46 pm
by jts
Hey, so, is anyone in touch with Violence in real life? It would be good if we could suss out whether to replace him... or maybe just declare the game over... or maybe amputate the biggest brothers and finish it as 2v2...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:09 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
We expect to see him at Cotsen...if that ever happens.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:36 pm
by jts
Joaz Banbeck wrote:We expect to see him at Cotsen...if that ever happens.
Was he at Cotsen?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:25 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
jts wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:We expect to see him at Cotsen...if that ever happens.
Was he at Cotsen?
I didn't see him. Perhaps he has gotten a real life.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:22 am
by Aidoneus
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
jts wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:We expect to see him at Cotsen...if that ever happens.
Was he at Cotsen?
I didn't see him. Perhaps he has gotten a real life.
I gather that you all abandoned this game. What a pity! (Or is the game already decided?) Do you have a complete sgf file for it? (Even better, a file with some of the rejected moves!) I learned quite a bit from reading through the comments, and I would like to study your game more thoroughly.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 9:53 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Aidoneus wrote:... I gather that you all abandoned this game. ...
There was no formal agreement to do so, but at least half of the six participants are no longer active members. TTBOMK, none of them has died, so it is theoretically possible to continue.
Aidoneus wrote:...is the game already decided?...
No. Black captured a large group, but white go a big wall out of it. Black is ahead, but has maxed out his potential.
Aidoneus wrote:... Do you have a complete sgf file for it? (Even better, a file with some of the rejected moves!)...
No. That would be a huge amount of work to assemble one. But I would love to see someone do it.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 11:09 am
by Aidoneus
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Aidoneus wrote:... I gather that you all abandoned this game. ...
There was no formal agreement to do so, but at least half of the six participants are no longer active members. TTBOMK, none of them has died, so it is theoretically possible to continue.
Aidoneus wrote:...is the game already decided?...
No. Black captured a large group, but white go a big wall out of it. Black is ahead, but has maxed out his potential.
Aidoneus wrote:... Do you have a complete sgf file for it? (Even better, a file with some of the rejected moves!)...
No. That would be a huge amount of work to assemble one. But I would love to see someone do it.
I see. Frankly, at times, I lost track of what moves were made and what were just being discussed! And by which side as players changed!
Well, thanks for your response. It really was a fascinating game.
doesn't he have taxes to do or something?
