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#238: iseijin vs Marcus

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Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:05 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Keep White's center group away from his bottom group.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:14 pm
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Creating eyeshape and using my K16 stone as help. If I just jump again he can do 2 peeps and also, if he jumps again, too, he gets closer to my weak group on the left, which I should avoid

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:16 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not going to the top, either.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:21 pm
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to make 2 eyes
I'm eyeing at
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , 3 1 . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 4 X 2 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:24 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing to see here ...

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:34 pm
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I don't connect my group now it will become dangerous, I think.
But if I just connect my stones to somewhere, he can do this:

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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 1 . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


.. and then solidify his territory on the left side with a move somewhere around
So I go in direction of his territory first

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:01 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am seriously terrible at attack and defense. I have very little reason for this move beyond securing a chunk of the left side. Is that god enough? It doesn't feel like I'm being active enough in this game anymore ... well, I'll have to review the game later.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:48 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying to connect the groups. There's a lot of aji on these 2 groups and I think connecting them is best.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:27 pm
by Marcus
Busy weekend for me, so I might not get many moves in.

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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . 9 . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Play this now and cut out his base.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:22 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm61 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X 0 O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:26 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:45 pm
by iseijin
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:04 pm
by EdLee
Tenuki? Is the G6 group alive? Is the J11 group alive?

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:16 am
by Loons
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . W O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X a . . . . , . 5 4 X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . X 3 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think black's ahead on the board and that white's going to have a tough time. With that said, there's aji here.

The (marked) last stone seems like it must have been a mistake. It's so uninvolved with the board.

Perhaps 'a' and hope to surprise black? Though now it's black's move and there seems little hope.


@iseijin
Please comment your moves !

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:54 am
by Uberdude
@iseijin

Some ideas to help you comment:
1. Why did you play that move?
2. What other moves did you consider?
3. What do you expect black to do now? How will you deal with it?
4. If you were black what would you do now?
5. If black was Lee Sedol 9p which of your groups would you expect to die?
6. Are you feeling ahead/behind? Have you counted?
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