[go]$$Wcm38 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Comparing these two results, I haven't lost anything with regard to the group that's currently cut off, it's still at two liberties, it has the same running moves as before.
The exchanges I've made make sure that white doesn't have a nice endgame sequence/ability to affect my life and death
$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O O O X 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O O O X 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ouch. There goes a ton of my eye space and my corner. Doesn't that seem bad? I get to get rid of that option in sente, why wouldn't I?
Maybe he can do something besides play passively like he did, but I think if I get that exchange I just did for free, it's clearly beneficial, right?
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:27 am
by Uberdude
Violence is right his push has an advantage for yose/eyes in the corner, but it does have a disadvantage in that white can play like this to unconditionally capture the 2 stones whereas before they could possibly run (but this does give black some sente moves around k3 or more yose at n2). But I do quite like his line.
$$Wcm44 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm48 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I have miai to reduce top/top-right, so I can get a valuable move at the edge of two frameworks. My shape bottom right is unpleasant, but black lost three stones.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:56 am
by Loons
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Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:02 pm
by Violence
Gimme a few days for this one.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:52 pm
by judicata
Just for fun:
According to Zen, Black should play Q12 or P8 next; the game is close, but white has a slightly higher chance of winning (although it considers black to be ahead in territory right now).
CrazyStone likes exchanging G18 for F18 first, then H14. CS also thinks the game is close, and that white is slightly ahead.
Also, I didn't let the analysis for white's last move run very long, but both programs liked s17* (instead of G6).
I was afraid of my (readily living) group being vaguely surrounded, which was not a big threat. Instead I think a pincer like 'a' might have been better.
Re: #243, Violence vs. Loons
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:16 am
by Violence
$$Wcm48 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm48 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X O O O . , . . . X . X . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I know I talked about top having miai with N16, but I think my move is rather miai to take good care of my right stones. Also it seems thick in a place I was formerly slightly thin.
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