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#252 djllap vs topazg

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Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:38 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
For some reason, I didn't even consider the possibility of a non-local response. This exchange makes many of my variations not work, so I don't think I have a choice but to take a hit in the center. Hopefully I can get some compensation.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:03 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
And now to return to the action. I still have to suffer some ugly shape mess ... on the plus side, I get these two stones now.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:51 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I think I can block the side in sente and then come backk and grab a big point like N10.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:15 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X 5 . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
The start of a mess....
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . 0 X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 7 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . b O X . . O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . a X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . c O 5 4 7 2 1 C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . 8 . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I had thought that "a" was a ko threat, imagining that White would connect at "b" if I pushed through, but if White connects at "c", then I don't think I have anything. So I might need to look for useful ko threat moves. It's a semi-picnic ko in that I don't really need to win if I have some good followup moves, as I'd originally sort of written off that lower side. However, I could have hane'd underneath at the very beginning and kept territory down here. I didn't because that centre is big ... which means if I'm going to lose this ko, I ought to neutralise the centre fairly completely really.

EDIT: lol, just realised that's no ko. I may play differently for :b67: ...

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:16 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:34 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I think it is a ko after all ... I hane the other side I think. Blimey.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:48 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Black can choose to lose the side and let me keep sente, or to enter a fight that looks like it ends in a huge ko that might be for the life of the huge black group on the left. I am still doing some reading as to whether the ko can be avoided, but I don't think so.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X 7 X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 6 O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 2 X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 3 O X 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 4:01 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 7 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 4:42 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X 4 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . 0 X 5 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 7 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 5:48 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 2 1 C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I've assumed you're pushing again. Please feel free to play a different :w72: if not :)
Wrong again, there is no ko. I would have been much better playing the hane underneath. I'm guessing I've maybe lost 15 points down there, in exchange for good access to the centre. Doesn't feel like a particularly great deal, but then the left hand side wasn't good for him either. I'm guessing the game is fairly close right now.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 8:40 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 4 O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 2 1 C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
This is an offer of a compromise. If he connects at 'a' he is allowing my group to connect to the center, and keeping my center moyo intact. If he connects at 'b', I play at 'c' and we have the same ko fight we would have if I had played directly at 'c', but now Black has less eye potential.
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X b X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . a O X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 3:13 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 4 O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 5 2 1 C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Eh? Don't say I've missed something glaringly obvious again :sad:

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:27 am
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Bcm71 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X 6 X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 4 O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 5 2 1 C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . O O 2 . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O X X 1 4 O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O X O 5 3 7 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O 6 O 8 0 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . 8 0 . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . 4 7 9 . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 1 2 3 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:43 am
by skydyr
DJLLAP wrote:
I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . O O 2 . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O X X 1 4 O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O X O 5 3 7 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O 6 O 8 0 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . 8 0 . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . 4 7 9 . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 1 2 3 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I hate to spoil the party, but it looks like white's sequence includes a spurious tenuki for :b5:. This can't end well.

Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:25 am
by illluck
skydyr wrote:
DJLLAP wrote:
I had a brief moment of panic when I thought the ladder didn't work for here, but no worries. I am pretty happy with this result. W keeps the center blocked off and took a chunk out of B's territory on the bottom. Since trying to run with the cutting stones doesn't work, and must end in gote, I expect him to connect directly with H1. I think the best response is to catch the two black stones in a ladder with J6, but I will read some more before I decide.
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . O O 2 . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O X X 1 4 O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O X O 5 3 7 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O 6 O 8 0 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . 8 0 . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . 4 7 9 . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 1 2 3 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I hate to spoil the party, but it looks like white's sequence includes a spurious tenuki for :b5:. This can't end well.
I think 5 is the connect, but I don't think black will go this route, but will instead connect underneath? I don't actually understand why black played the kosumi the previous move, but after that move I think not connecting would be inconsistent.
Edit:
Wait, I'm stupid, I missed this sequence - that's why black played the kosumi:
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O 2 O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Edit 2...:
Maybe not (see below). So I guess black will just connect underneath?
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b100: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . 4 . 6 . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 1 2 3 X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X X O O O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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