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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:10 pm
by Kirby
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Can't seem to live inside, so I must run.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:59 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:05 pm
by Kirby
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Hey, at least in that video, the pro died.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:22 pm
by DrStraw
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He had an excuse - he was playing a pro. :)

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:24 pm
by Kirby
Guess I don't need to use hide tags :-p

Anyway, I'll see what I can come up with.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:26 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:28 pm
by DrStraw
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Don't know about you but I am playing by instinct and intuition.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:47 pm
by Kirby
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Not sure. Just trying to live.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:54 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:04 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:44 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:46 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:59 am
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:08 am
by Bill Spight
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After :b4: White has a half eye at :ec:. :w1: is important to that half eye, because it prevents Black "a". If White "b" is sente, and it looks close to it, then "c" is another half eye. Similarly, if White can play "d" with sente, then "e" is a third half eye. A group with four half eyes is alive. :)

Now, White "d" does not look like sente yet, but White can play around in the top right quadrant and maybe make it sente.

Making the half eye at :ec: may be progress, but I think that :w1: is aji keshi. Why? Because it induces :b2:.
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:w1: in this diagram obviously threatens to capture the :bs: stones. If it can be made to threaten the :bc: stones as well, it will be a great move. I think that White should keep it in reserve -- or maybe even play it now(!).

Now, :w1: in the original diagram connects the White stones, which could pay off by uniting the potential eyes. But in the killing game I think that connecting White stones in general is not so important, because it is a game of sacrifice. It does not matter how many stones you sacrifice, as long as some stones live. OC, threats to connect can be potent. :) Which is why sacrifice is potent.

Edit: Unhidden.

Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:56 am
by emeraldemon
@bill
can you elaborate on b in your diagram? It doesn't look sente to me.