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Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:07 pm
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 12
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, this decision seems fairly easy for a change. Obviously we need to do something for our top group. I think I would rather get out than try to live small and shut in. So I play here, or H14. This feels a little safer, so I like it. I feel that, despite the knight's move, this cannot be separated from the weak group, so let's get out. I sure don't like pushing black along the fourth line, though...

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I'm not too sure about younger brother's move. This makes me queasy:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X 4 1 O W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White dies like this. I've got to look at other options. If they are no better, I'm not going to approve.


My initial reaction is to substitute this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Then if black tries the cut, it looks like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O 2 3 X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X 4 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 6 5 W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 8 7 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I think we win this fight because we have the ladder breaker down in the lower right. I must read more.

( The long term concern is how long we can continue protecting the cut with a tactical refutation. We're living on the edge like this. Sooner or later we will have to come back with something more solid like G16. I hope that it is sente when we do it. )


I must think about this some more.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:48 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
EDIT: I guess that hide tags are not needed here...


About black's last move:

Black had three people looking at it, and I think that they failed to find their best move. I think that this was their best:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If we contest black directly, it goes like this:


    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O 4 5 X . , . . . . . , X . . |
    $$ | . X O X 6 3 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X 8 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    And continues like this:


      Click Here To Show Diagram Code
      [go]$$Wc
      $$ ---------------------------------------
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . |
      $$ | . X O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



      Or this:

      Click Here To Show Diagram Code
      [go]$$Wc
      $$ ---------------------------------------
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . |
      $$ | . X O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


      Or this:

      Click Here To Show Diagram Code
      [go]$$Wc
      $$ ---------------------------------------
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O O O X X . , . . . . . , X . . |
      $$ | . X O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X 2 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




    Or we can contest it after falling back one move, with W4 in a different position, like this:

    Click Here To Show Diagram Code
    [go]$$Bc
    $$ ---------------------------------------
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X O O . 6 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . X X O O 5 4 X . , . . . . . , X . . |
    $$ | . X O X . 3 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
    $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
    $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


    Which continues like this:



      Click Here To Show Diagram Code
      [go]$$Wc
      $$ ---------------------------------------
      $$ | . . . 9 . 5 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O 7 2 O 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X O O 3 O X X 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O O X O X . , . . . . . , X . . |
      $$ | . X O X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . X . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


      Or like this:

      Click Here To Show Diagram Code
      [go]$$Wc
      $$ ---------------------------------------
      $$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O 1 . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . X X O O X O X . , 4 . . . . , X . . |
      $$ | . X O X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
      $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
      $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]





None of those options look good. The only remaining possibility is to submit:


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . 2 O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That doesn't look too good either.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:06 am
by Violence
Huh... maybe Topazg's move was worth 2 points. I didn't think much of it before, but actually, looking at it now, it helps at aim at cutting the knight's move...

I'm still not sure if it works, I think I have to read some more. It probably needs another preparatory move, but this one is looking better to me than the other one now...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 12
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . B O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm... it looks pretty tasty, actually. There's a lot to read though. I'll check up on it. I wonder if this move will get changed.

Move #34B

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:24 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I'm going to post my move so that the game can keep going. More comments later.

I do not approve.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 34B - W: 15, B: 14
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As suggested in my earlier post, the cut at F15 hurts if we play it like younger brother wanted to. I looked at variations other than what was decribed in that post, and they did not look any better.
White must run out.


PS: Thanks to Herman Hiddema for his comments on how to do diagrams.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:48 pm
by shapenaji
Not Approved, I'm switching it back to Chew Terr's

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I'd love to unhide this and respond to Joaz directly, but I see absolutely no problem with this variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 8 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . 4 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O 3 2 X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . 1 O W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if we go with Joaz's move, I just see really ugly cut aji in our future.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:59 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 35A - W: 15, B: 15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As per my comments in the message preceding move 33a.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:22 am
by topazg
Not approved :)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X 1 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . C . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


We must, must, must keep that top stone to keep White unsettled. Letting him capture and settle his group with points is simply out of the question.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:49 am
by Magicwand
wow...so many changes.
question: is it worth the penalty to change the move?
i am thinking they are changing way~~~ too many changes.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:38 am
by Chew Terr
My thoughts on this game, first thing in the morning
Once our group is out (which seems imminent, for the moment at least) I want to attack the bottom left black group. However, I'm not sure how. Since black's tail stone is on the third line, it can lean on both of our groups for eyespace, in addition to jumping out. I considered kicking to close off the corner, but this alone seems not to be enough. I'll consider more, but I guess that just means we'll have to reinforce our groups a bit (by walling off the corner space) before we can attack.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:20 am
by Joaz Banbeck
shapenaji wrote:Not Approved, I'm switching it back to Chew Terr's


Chew Terr wrote:Once our group is out (which seems imminent, for the moment at least) ...


Well...we seem to have a serious misunderstanding someplace. :-?

One of the following seems to be true:
1) I mis-read and we can get out.
2) Both of my teammates mis-read and we can't get out.
3) They read correctly, we can't get out, and they are ok with that.
4) One teammate is #2 and the other is #3.

I'm currently of the opinion that it it is essential for us to get out, and that we can't do it with this move. It therefore follows that I think that black's best move is F15, and I will be very happy if Violence does not choose it.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:34 pm
by Violence
This next move, I have to read a lot of stuff for. I simply don't have the time for it right now. I just graduated, and I'm flying back in the morning, so I have to spend my remaining hours packing. I'll have my decision in a few days.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:06 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Violence wrote:...I just graduated ...


Congratulations! Where from? What degree?

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:16 pm
by dfan
Magicwand wrote:
wow...so many changes.
question: is it worth the penalty to change the move?
i am thinking they are changing way~~~ too many changes.

I've said this before in this thread, but I think that if you are just purely trying to win this game as a game, given the rules, people are changing moves way too much. It is hard to believe that giving away 2 points move after move is really the "correct" strategy.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:44 am
by Violence
Case Western Reserve University, Bachelors of Science and Engineering in Biomedical Engineering: Systems and Control Focus.

Now... if I can just get a job...
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