[go]$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
probe.. if he block it i have peeping aji
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm
by Chew Terr
$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
[go]$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:31 pm
by amnal
Chew Terr wrote:
$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
[go]$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.
That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:46 pm
by Chew Terr
amnal wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
[go]$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.
That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.
Thanks, hadn't considered that option.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:26 pm
by lightvector
$$Wcm41 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move struck me as an odd direction of play, given white's weak stones on the top and black's moyo potential. Diving down to the lower right to secure the corner right now feels misplaced.
Although, Q2 is decently large territorially and activates much aji in the M3 area, so I'm not sure. Does anyone else have thoughts here?
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:09 pm
by Aphelion
@lightvector
I've felt a long time watching Kirby's games vs Magicwand that he is too fond of this descent. In the previous discussion over "capturing the flow", I specifically had this move in mind. I feel like Kirby too often takes a gote territorial play that isn't related enough to what is happening on the rest of the board, and often loses the initiative in the game that way.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:23 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm51 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm61 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X . . X X O . O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O B . X . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It does seem like wishful thinking to me. I guess white would win the ko, but is that really so bad for Black? He'd be thick in the center. And white's going to have a hard time handling the right.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:03 pm
by Jedo
Perhaps Kirby has shown me the way to handle handicap fighting!
I'm trying to figure out why he got such a good result, while I just end up in a null result despite my assistance. It probably has something to do with vulgar moves, i.e. pushing but not cutting or misunderstanding what the purpose of different groups are.