I'm impressed with the visualization skills you guys have. In a normal blind go game, you are probably going to wrap it up in a single day, but here on the forums, the game is spread over many days - so there's more opportunity to forget.
Anyway, very impressive!
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:16 pm
by TelegraphGo
4-18.
D18.
Trigger accepted, so white 5-16, E16. After that,
5-18.
E18.
Thanks Kirby! I think typing out comments has helped me remember better than usual, since remembering what I said makes me remember what I played
Connect, he connects, then I connect.
We're playing out joseki. He gave me the chance to take the corner. It would have been silly for me to take him up on his offer. Now, he chooses whether to play 6-16, pressing down, or 2-17, taking territory, or tenuki. None look great for him so I'm making plans after he makes his choice. All I know is that I'm almost certainly pushing up at 6-16 if he plays 2-17.
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:30 pm
by EdLee
diagram
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:04 pm
by MikeKyle
2(b)-17
Thanks Kirby. I'd echo TelegraphGo's points - I'm finding it surprisingly okay to visualise because there's a little bit of extra deliberate action behind each move.
Comments
I don't think I have great prospects to develop if I push at 6(f)-16 so I won't make black stronger
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:14 pm
by TelegraphGo
6-16
F16
Push.
I got burned really badly by a 3 dan a few months ago when I tenuki'd this group. It needs another move. The question is only between extending up and jumping to the side. In a game where I'm behind and I'm pointing towards a 4-4, pushing is really the only way to play.
Now it's up to him to finish the opening. I'm guessing he plays 17-14, low approach. But who knows?
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:28 pm
by MikeKyle
7(g)-18
If black goes for the outside (as I would sort of expect) then I can't 100 percent remember the sequence. Hoping that I can recall the major features and read to fill in the gaps. Judging the outcome may prove more difficult
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:02 pm
by TelegraphGo
8-17
H-17
Jump.
This joseki, even though it was never really played before Ke Jie vs. AlphaGo, is just required knowledge as a dan player these days. I've seen some of my online opponents connect super passively and solidly at 6-18. I win those games
It's also not a simple joseki to tenuki from and come back later. I think my winning chances go up when he goes into this, because I can play more confusing proper moves
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:18 pm
by MikeKyle
8(h)-18
Only move (..I'm fairly confident it is at least)
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:16 pm
by TelegraphGo
3-16
C16
Cut.
Probe.
The idea is to get the strongest possible attack on the two stones he just played. He will respond to this now, while the fighting is light on the top side. If he plays atari down (unusual) then I get 2-2 extension in sente or an atari on the outside at 5-15 - more aji than there is now, so it's a good exchange for me. If he plays atari out then at some point I can play 4-15 to force him to let me get one stone taller on the top. Once I'm taller I can play another jump on the top, which completely seals him in, though it doesn't capture.
Some people hold off on making this probe until later in the joseki. I don't really understand that, to be honest. My view is that I'm not very likely going to play any other move first in the corner, but I could see myself playing a push instead of a jump on the top side if he responds strangely (atari down). Therefore, I play this move first, and decide on the shape on the top later. I'm curious if anyone knows a good reason not to play this probe right away.
From his passive 3-3 response earlier I half-suspect he's planning to immediately take the territory underneath my four stones in the corner, but that's too small. The influence I get from forcing the capture is going to be worth well more than a dozen points gote.
He should atari at 2-16, and then I will jump at 10-17.
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:58 pm
by EdLee
diagram
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:06 am
by MikeKyle
2(b)-16
I thought I remembered this exchange coming later in the sequence usually but I guess it doesn't matter.
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:51 am
by TelegraphGo
10-17
K17
One space jump.
Joseki. Wait for him to commit to the two stones before making further forcing moves in the corner.
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:15 am
by MikeKyle
7(g)-17
Big uncertainty here if I'm honest. I feel like I could be missing something in my reading. I think I cut on my next move but I'm still thinking it through. Not sure if that squeeze on the outside is too good for black. Also feel like black could develop a framework with the outside shape that would be tough to counter.
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:37 am
by TelegraphGo
4-15
D15
Atari.
Probe.
Now that he's committed, it's time for me to make the exchanges for strength on this side. If he captures I can play atari outside and then connect. it becomes a good attack for black. If he extends I can extend on this side and he's surrounded. I get influence and it's endgame-ish to capture the stones.
Re: MikeKyle v. TelegraphGo (Blind)
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:50 am
by MikeKyle
5(e)-15
When I said I may cut next I wasn't considering this forcing exchange. I'm grateful that the timing of these exchanges is blacks responsibility in this sequence. I expect to cut once black has finished fixing