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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:45 am
by Kayres
No problem ketchup! And yes, thanks to you too ;) The game is going on with a really good pace.


Pfff hmm... He played the move I expected, nothing wrong with that, but I really find it immensely hard to attack his group right now. When I looked onto the current board, w40 felt like it's the quiet before the storm. But what storm? How can I attack him with the best outcome for me?

It was hard, because I knew this move is important and can change the flow of the game. I don't want to lose control. My problem was: If I put too much pressure on his group, I could destroy my potential. If I attack too soft, the outcome may not be satisfying for me.



I thought about some exchanges before I attack, like the following:

I really needed to read a lot to see if
a) they are sente
b) help me attack his group when he decides to run
c) don't do me harm if he decides to fight back

the :b1: :w2: exchange is my favourite here, and I have some good things I can do if he wants to fight back. His group on top can very fast be in a bad position, for example if I play a. I love my ponnuki on top, it takes away his ability to start discussions with me concerning his top group.

I am not sure about :w3: :b4: though. Generally, moves like this are bad. I don't reduce much, I destroy my aji, and how 3 is going to help me is not clear. So this feels a lot too early.

The :b5: :w6: exchange seems reasonable. Actually why I thought about it was the invasion point he has on b. After that my two stones on the left seem to have lost their purpose. My bottom would be gone as well.

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 39
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I decided to attack his group on the right, before attempting any exchanges. Just to see how he is going to decide, since he ignored this group from the beginning on..


But this ignoring makes me really nervous. Maybe he will not respond when I try to attack it?
It really would be painful if he played b.

So actually I just changed my mind while writing this :D That's why I like to post my thinkings before playing my move. I will play an exchange.




I will exchange :b5: with :w6: first. It will probably look like this:


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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 39
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | If he tries to fight back, my
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | :bs: helps me a lot. After this exchange
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . | I will concentrate on the attack
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . | at his right group. After much reading
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | c looks the best to me.
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$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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edit: Oh sad that this did not work :D So this is the diagram: (Comments just above.)


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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 39
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$$ | . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]





I am in control of this game and I felt I also was all the time, so I need to be careful and not lose it.




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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 41
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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:23 pm
by ketchup
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[go]$$cm41 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 42
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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I dislike the implications of a tenuki here still. Every nature as a blitz player for me is screaming that I need to tenuki. Honestly, I think it's really difficult for white right now. I feel as if my opponent wants everything now, and I'm not really comfortable with that. So, I think the best way to respond is to keep solid here, and be patient. That way I do not have to worry about these things later on. Also, this will help if he makes a move that I feel is an overplay later on. I will have to decide on how I will handle that bottom when the time comes. What's most interesting for me, is the aji of r3 still. I think I can make use of it. I just hope it's not making it worse for myself in the long run!

If black plays O6, I think I am done. I might live, but I think he will win with this type of move.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:03 pm
by Dusk Eagle
I dislike ketchup's last move. It feels far too passive. Now the result below appears great for black:

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[go]$$cm41
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I didn't do a count, but this is a board I would much rather be black on. With :bc:, black becomes super strong on the lower-left, making any play for white on the bottom area dangerous. In addition, white has fofeited the points in the corner. Why didn't ketchup play at :bc: himself? I can't see anything too dangerous for white with my reading.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:59 pm
by Loons
Like Duskeagle, I think Ketchup's 42 was too passive.

I would play this (assuming black cannot resist 43 to prove his sente was correct; otherwise, white can then pick up 43 himself anyway).
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[go]$$cm41 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 42
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . . 4 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

44 is likely a mistake (let alone my 42 in the first place). My goal is to exploit D4 as just an aji-stone (it's not really an important part of white's grand framework on the left, and therefore needn't be clung to) and then as necessary segue into some (potentially very vulgar) ajisploitation of Q3 to get a result.

In my mind, the way for white to win is for the left to be worth lots of points, and the bottom to be worth not-that-many points.
My reason for not wanting to play 43 with white's 42 is that black has sente or at least has the option to retain sente at any point, and white needs to get something more pro-active going. Also, a number like 42 deserves more than to be a typical response to a plain black sente.

Edit: This is the sort of goal

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[go]$$cm41 Maybe not good enough for black
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . b . . a . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . 5 4 . . 8 . 6 7 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm41 Hardish for white, but he can make sabaki I think
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . . 4 . 5 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:51 am
by Kayres
Hmm this move seems not so nice on the first sight but it has a huge follow up and actually I really thought about playing another move there, because the corner is so immensely big.

When I try to evaluate the value of a here, it seems sente for him. And it's sooo big. I think it's about 15 points in sente for him. Which makes it 15 points in reverse gote for me. As a rule of thumb you double the value of sente moves. So this play is worth 30 points. It humongous! I have to play it.

I can't really see any good follow up for me which would make a move played at a by me a sente move.But I do have some technique in sente to get a besser positioning in center



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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 41
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
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$$ | . . a X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is possible if he plays a tenuki:

I could get this which of course is pretty nice for me. Not that if he makes the mistake and does not capture after :b8: there is still some aji left and I could get a in sente if his outside liberties are gone. But I don't think he will miss this.


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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 41
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$$ | . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 2 X O 8 X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 3 O a . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . b . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



However he can resist here by playing :w5: at :w7: , because of which I am also thinking about this here:

I could make good use of :bs: and break in his left side. But, some of my center potential would be gone. So I guess both the diagrams are not wortwhile right now. I will take a deeper look at it some time.

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 41
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
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$$ | . . # . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 B X O 4 X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . W O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Anyway, my mood about this game has shifted quite a bit. I'm still at a loss how I could attack his group on the right. It's so light - it does not feel like it is a good target. Like a single stone, which you should also not attack.

Anyway, if he decides to reinforce his group now, I will play the biggest next move and this will give me a sure lead I guess. So let's hope he does not and I can attack him so the game can get interesting ;)



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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 43
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:02 pm
by ketchup
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As I said, it feels like my opponent really wants EVERYTHING. I just want to play the most simple moves, so I could gain sente from it when I can. Like now I can play away to here. I do not think I am strong enough though to make this successful. Maybe resign sequence soon. Next is the crazy stuff I think. I will definitely try my best to disrupt the bottom. I'm a bit disappointed that I can't read well enough to feel out/ choose a different move here. I feel like I am NOT taking full advantage of the aji at Q3. The biggest problem I have is, how to take advantage of that while still holding on to it for more later! I feel like anything I play will just ruin the full potential it has :(

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:59 am
by Jedo
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My issue with white's move is that it's sort of just floating there and seems open to attack. Maybe a move like this would work to build while reducing?

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:23 am
by Kayres
Hmm yeah, looks like a normal move here. He has to play something like this and I am sure noone feels comfortable playing such moves. This shows I have an advantage atm. Now he has one thing in mind
- connecting his last stone with another group

But with which one?

connecting with a will prove tough for him because of :bs: . I won't let him connect that easyily. route b? also really tough. I will keep them separated no matter what. It's an impossible task for him. Taking routes c or d seem most rational.

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Now my task is actually to try to chase his new "group" while making profit. I will not try to kill it. This is my plan:

Getting thick in center facing the left side and thickness facing the right side. I can get out :bt: then easily and put tremendous pressure on his right side group. Actually I think that either :wc: will die or his group on the right. And I don't think this is far-fetched. I would be satisfied though with what I just have mentioned. Thickness left and right, enclosing his right group.

So I have to make something like a road for him here. Built up along a and b. c will remain a big point for me.

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My next move will be attacking his right formation. I will see what he does next. Maybe he is going to go deeper into my moyo, but then I will try to build power while attacking his right group and then turn back to bottom.




So I was thinking about some moves here..:

a seemed to soft and felt like I was putting no pressure on :ws: . I think I need to since I don't want to be too deep in his formation while he can run out. I want to be ahead, so I need some distance.


bwas what I thought of previously, but a jump at f would leave me surprised. It would feel like some fish slided out of my grip although I had it in my hands already :)


cfeels most rational here. It fulfills my aim to keep the two groups separated and sets some pressure on his right group. But there are some good ways for him to fight and get some advantage with sabaki.

So I will play f myself. It looks extremely solid and feels a bit too soft for me, but I have promised myself to attack after this move. Now I am really strong and don't have to fear anything.


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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:16 pm
by Chew Terr
Jedo wrote:
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My issue with white's move is that it's sort of just floating there and seems open to attack. Maybe a move like this would work to build while reducing?

I definitely prefer yours. It makes as many points as it denies, so it looks quite effective. In the game, black will hurt white's frameworks while threatening to eat the reduction whole.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:40 pm
by ketchup
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This seems like my best choice. Let's see how he attacks.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:08 pm
by Kayres
hmm alright, I really had to think a lot here. Basically what I looked at was what aji there is for him to exploit and for me to be careful with. And it seems that when I start a really dirty fight, there are some things he could do. So I decided to keep it simple, stay souvereign and be patient.


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So these are the moves I thought about deeper.

a seemed a bit soft but I kind of like it. If he dares to block, I will play around e, which is the vital point on the bottom in my opinion.

If he, however, plays e without responding to a, I will push comfortably e.

Then, of course, there is another group I can put pressure on. I thought about b and c here, c being my favourite because b again seems to force him to run desperately, which would make the game complicated and set up a dirty fight.

d is obviously a move to take away his eyeshape. I think this move is crucial but it does not seem to be the right time now.

aji I need to be aware of is at w and y. Maybe he will be able to live with a forcing move like w, but I will see. I don't think there is anything at y though, but this could change in the future.


Summed up I think I am ahead comfortably and have huge potential, while he has to be careful now. My fear is that I will be too soft on him and he succedes to live both on the right side and on bottom. But I don't know how to attack here better :/.


I feel that in a game on a server I would've decided to do something very fast. But here it seems I can think about this so much, that I don't know what to do in the end.


Question for observers.. do you think my last two moves were too soft, including this one? I am only talking about the past, so maybe this information won't change much of the game. But only to be sure, you can also answer and hide it ;)


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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:22 pm
by ketchup
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This has to be the right time to use this peep. The basic idea is limiting his bottom points and strengthening my own group. I think I might be strengthening his own group too, but I do not see much harm for it here. I find the idea again, of asking him to trade here interesting. This move comes too easily to me, so I'm a bit hesitant again to play it, but playing fearfully seems like a huge waste. I enjoy the shapes that might occur from this move as well.


Going to choose this,

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or this:

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I prefer the first one. Overall, it just has more interesting shape options. I do not believe I can play this move without first having that stone on the right side(move 48). I might be misreading, but I think he gives up too much to allow me to live in the corner(or even just get that push into it). I just do not believe he will be comfortable at all with it. It's also not a guaranteed kill for him of that middle group if he chooses the exchange, which is why I do not believe he will do so. I believe there's some funny aji around "a" in the first diagram. Lastly, I think either of my two options are good. I'm sure there are many more open too! I just will see how he responds to this first. I assume I'll most likely take the first choice.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:59 pm
by Kayres
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Connect. What else? ;)

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:34 pm
by ketchup
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Again, I do not believe he can cap me that easily, I really want to try this.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:45 am
by Kayres
vital poooint :lol: . What he did is not enough to live at all, his group will be running. Then he will have two groups running. I need to be careful and that's all.


I don't see anything that he can do against a. His last peep was not good at all, in my opinion. It was straight aji-keshi. And it did not help him a lot. So I will go with a now. It seems best. He has some options to fail :D

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