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Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:51 pm
by parliament
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[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 5 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It feels like a vital point for attack and defense. I can't use the stones up top effectively if I get enclosed and have to make two eyes, and the stones on the bottom are hard to attack as long as Black's pillar is like this; I can cover and stuff like that as a followup to my move. Black is motivated to nobi, keep me split and keep me pressured, but then the potential to hane and cut seems fairly interesting for White...

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:27 am
by Puppycakes
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[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As these stones are strengthened, the cut becomes more severe. Also, I would love for white to jump out and for him to force me to kill his upper side cutting stones. That would be an ideal attack.

This cut would be ideal. I think he'd sacrifice that stone instead.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 9 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:56 pm
by parliament
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The hane is a given, as is a counterhane by Black. I'm not going to cut directly, however, nor am I going to double hane. This tends to give up the bottom on a big scale:

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[go]$$Wcm57 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 7 5 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 8 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black will happily sacrifice the three stones, I think. My upper group had a strongish shape to begin with, so the fact that I'm solid now doesn't mean much in comparison to my devastated position on the bottom.

Similarly if I double hane, Black will just nobi:
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[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I still need to repair the cutting points, and the fighting is bad for me on the bottom. If these 3 white stones are swallowed, it will be on a very large scale, so I will tend to be heavy.

So maybe play from the bottom, take Black's shape. The idea is in the right ballpark:
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[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It feels a little vague to me, though. It's not looking so easy to get much out of kikashi at a) if I have :w59: already. Black can still comfortably attack me on the bottom; the nobi is useful for that. So I will prefer to try to play hane and peep as kikashi:

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[go]$$Wcm57 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:51 pm
by Shaddy
Magicwand wrote:for obs only:
what answer does white have if black play as below???
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



How about this? Maybe it's not so good because black's stones have major aji, but w could have exchanged c5 for f3 first and then it's not so bad
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 5 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O 0 X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 2 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 3 . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:13 am
by Puppycakes
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Essentially, I'm leaning against his weak group until I can cut. Then the question becomes how should I cut.

Also, I'm keeping in mind that he can do this:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 2 1 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I might add a move up top to pressure his cutting stones and strengthen my group.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:54 am
by Laman
Puppycakes: your last hidden diagram is broken

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:15 pm
by parliament
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Connection is expected. If he plays atari I'll gladly nobi and Black must connect anyway. I'll probably then nobi, be pushed by Black for one more step, and then the question I'll probably be asking Black is: how will you attack me on the bottom? How will you make points?
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[go]$$Wcm59 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . b . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . a . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will play at a) to most answers. If Black a), b) looks interesting to keep Black busy. This isn't truly great for me, but as I've said, I'm happy to resist this way rather than give Black a huge left and me a small bottom.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:33 pm
by Puppycakes
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[go]$$Bcm60 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, he protects his cutting point. This is a good point for either of us to have, so I'm taking it.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:38 pm
by parliament
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[go]$$Bcm60 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O 2 . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm a little bit surprised by Black's choice. My reply here is forced, of course.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:46 pm
by Puppycakes
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I obviously have to protect that cut. His move goes a long way to erase the aji of my cut, but honestly, I'm not sure that I'd say that he's solved all of his problems there. He'll probably cut me now. This has been an interesting fight.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:12 pm
by parliament
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a bit too painful to let Black cover:
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O a O O 4 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . 3 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black resources like a) put pressure on my eyespace. It's hard to cut back.

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O b a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O c O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just jumping is a bit tepid. Black will attack me on the bottom somehow and moves like a) and b) will work with c) still to pressure my eyespace. I can't really attack Black's group on top.

So I will go ahead and follow orders. I will cut:

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . 6 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I will probably not capture the cutting stone if Black gives atari from below. I will reinforce on the bottom and fight in the center.

It's not easy choosing to reinforce the top group, because the bottom is ultimately weaker, but playing this way keeps my possibilities open.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:19 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
the cut was an overplay and can be punished by playing as below.
you can not fight if there is a weak stone around.
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- W-
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:31 pm
by Puppycakes
My dad died on Thursday. I'm going to keep playing, but it may be highly irregular. Still, go can be relaxing for me, so I think it's good for me to keep playing.

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



There are, of course, two moves to consider. a and b:
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O a b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Really, what it depends upon is whether b is a valuable point for white to occupy. I don't think it is. And, in fact, I think it would be a thank you move. It would help white, so instead, I decided to play a. My cutting stone has some aji and He'll want to kill it, but I don't think he has time to just yet.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:41 pm
by Marcus
My condolences to you, Puppycakes.

I'm not your opponent, but I'd say take the time you need, and play when you can. I'm sure your opponent understands.

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:31 pm
by parliament
Marcus wrote:My condolences to you, Puppycakes.

I'm not your opponent, but I'd say take the time you need, and play when you can. I'm sure your opponent understands.


I am your opponent, and would say roughly the same thing. Go in the first place is meant to be a passtime, not an obligation. It's good if you still see benefit in playing, but of course feel free to take this game as lightly as you wish.

The Internet has made possible some very specialized modes of social interaction, such as this webforum. I'm not really familiar with the gravity of your father's death, but I hope that you and your family are well.
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