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Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:31 pm
by jts
A few thoughts. One, it got the time-out message again a minutes ago:
Two, I've been noticing recently that I've been getting very few new patterns and I've been getting repeats of identical games pretty frequently. Did you tweak something to make this happen? I'm pretty sure that as of a month or two ago, I never noticed the same game coming up twice in a day, or even on consecutive days. But today, I'm pretty sure I saw two games come up twice (not the same joseki variation, the same game), whereas I only saw one variation that I had never seen before. -- Sorry if this complaint sounds incoherent. I just have a strong and unquantifiable sense that something has changed in the last two weeks or so, and it's not really interesting to do DJ when you associate a specific game with a specific sequence of moves.
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:10 pm
by daniel_the_smith
jts wrote:A few thoughts. One, it got the time-out message again a minutes ago:
Two, I've been noticing recently that I've been getting very few new patterns and I've been getting repeats of identical games pretty frequently. Did you tweak something to make this happen? I'm pretty sure that as of a month or two ago, I never noticed the same game coming up twice in a day, or even on consecutive days. But today, I'm pretty sure I saw two games come up twice (not the same joseki variation, the same game), whereas I only saw one variation that I had never seen before. -- Sorry if this complaint sounds incoherent. I just have a strong and unquantifiable sense that something has changed in the last two weeks or so, and it's not really interesting to do DJ when you associate a specific game with a specific sequence of moves.
Good news and bad news: I did manage to replicate that error! But I haven't sat down and fixed it yet. In fact I haven't done anything recently, I've been bad.
Nothing's changed in the last two weeks.
I need to implement a system that "retires" positions as they get old, but I don't think that's what you're talking about. Did you check hint 3 on the game? You shouldn't be able to see the same corner of the same game in the same session unless you mess it up the first time. But there's nothing to keep it from showing you two different corners of the same game. I have one game in my queue where the pros are playing mirror go, that case is not elegantly handled...
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:19 pm
by jts
A few more thoughts. But first, I want to thank you again for making DJ, it's pretty awesome and I don't leave suggestions here when I'm just pleased with it.
1. Towards the end of the browse, there's a huge drop-off where at one point it will say "A was played 246 times" and then, on the next branching of the tree, all of the options - including tenuki - add up to 10 or so. Do you know what causes this? I have a niggling worry that some of the variations I'm learning may be extremely rare.
2. The DJ banner at the top of each page is a link, and the different positions on the browse page are not links, so if I'm clicking on DJ while looking at other windows it's really easy to lose the page by clicking on the "negative space" and have no obvious way of getting back to the position I was looking at. Would it be crazy to either give each position its own URL, or disable the banner link?
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:37 pm
by daniel_the_smith
jts wrote:A few more thoughts. But first, I want to thank you again for making DJ, it's pretty awesome and I don't leave suggestions here when I'm just pleased with it.
1. Towards the end of the browse, there's a huge drop-off where at one point it will say "A was played 246 times" and then, on the next branching of the tree, all of the options - including tenuki - add up to 10 or so. Do you know what causes this? I have a niggling worry that some of the variations I'm learning may be extremely rare.
2. The DJ banner at the top of each page is a link, and the different positions on the browse page are not links, so if I'm clicking on DJ while looking at other windows it's really easy to lose the page by clicking on the "negative space" and have no obvious way of getting back to the position I was looking at. Would it be crazy to either give each position its own URL, or disable the banner link?
#2-- good point, I hate it when sites do that, but usually I'm clicking on the side, I guess.
#1-- Do you have an example? That sounds wrong, and I suspect that what is wrong is the tenuki number. I know it is incorrect in positions reachable by either player.
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:46 pm
by jts
daniel_the_smith wrote:#1-- Do you have an example? That sounds wrong, and I suspect that what is wrong is the tenuki number. I know it is incorrect in positions reachable by either player.
I must have made a mistake. I was reviewing a game and we were talking through several different joseki starting from 3-4, high approach, high 2-space pincer, and 3-4, low approach, high tight pincer. But I re-checked, and all of the numbers add up. I think I must have, at various points, been on the "B" branch where I thought I was on the "A" branch. There were also other times where I thought the total was off by a small number (1-5); I didn't notice that sometimes the little dots say "other marked spaces played once" and other times they say "other marked spaces played twice or less".
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:17 am
by perceval
you asked me a question on my previous suggestion and i never replied...
i'll restate my suggestion:
- marked the stones that are added between 2 jsoeki moves somewhere lese on the board. i think this would be interesting
i had another suggestion but it seems that Dailyjsoeki already works the way i suggested... don't know what i was thinking
The other point, cross-checking extracted data with human-build ressources, is interesting imho but much more difficult
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:07 pm
by shimari
I like the website a lot, but there can be so much material to study that it is overwhelming! I think one direly needed feature is a rewind button. To learn joseki, I need to see them several times, in a row, right then, before going on to variations. I need to do this often, for a good number of days, to remember anything at all. As it is now, as soon as I complete a joseki, I am immediately forced to move on to another variation. The cheerful "good job" message doesn't help me if what I want to do is replay that exact sequence five times in a row. Adding a back arrow button, or a "repeat this test" button would be great.
I upgraded to a full membership almost immediately. Not because I plan to use it so often, but because I think it is important to support people who are doing good work. You have obviously spent a ton of time on this program, and the upgrade is dirt cheap!
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:49 am
by perceval
shimari wrote:I like the website a lot, but there can be so much material to study that it is overwhelming! I think one direly needed feature is a rewind button. To learn joseki, I need to see them several times, in a row, right then, before going on to variations. I need to do this often, for a good number of days, to remember anything at all. As it is now, as soon as I complete a joseki, I am immediately forced to move on to another variation. The cheerful "good job" message doesn't help me if what I want to do is replay that exact sequence five times in a row. Adding a back arrow button, or a "repeat this test" button would be great.
I upgraded to a full membership almost immediately. Not because I plan to use it so often, but because I think it is important to support people who are doing good work. You have obviously spent a ton of time on this program, and the upgrade is dirt cheap!
i agree that a replay button would be nice when a sequence is done (in study mode), the first time you see a joseki it can be useful to replay it a couple of times.
also, click on a numbered stone to go back at this move in browse mode ( that is cosmetic obviously the navigation arrows do the job).
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:42 am
by daniel_the_smith
shimari wrote:I like the website a lot, but there can be so much material to study that it is overwhelming! I think one direly needed feature is a rewind button. To learn joseki, I need to see them several times, in a row, right then, before going on to variations. I need to do this often, for a good number of days, to remember anything at all. As it is now, as soon as I complete a joseki, I am immediately forced to move on to another variation. The cheerful "good job" message doesn't help me if what I want to do is replay that exact sequence five times in a row. Adding a back arrow button, or a "repeat this test" button would be great.
I upgraded to a full membership almost immediately. Not because I plan to use it so often, but because I think it is important to support people who are doing good work. You have obviously spent a ton of time on this program, and the upgrade is dirt cheap!
Thank you, much appreciated! And I think that's a great idea.
perceval wrote:... marked the stones that are added between 2 jsoeki moves somewhere lese on the board. i think this would be interesting...
Yeah, that might be good . I'll have to come up with a symbol that's not too distracting.
perceval wrote:also, click on a numbered stone to go back at this move in browse mode ( that is cosmetic obviously the navigation arrows do the job).
This has been done for a while!
Re: Question about Daily Joseki method
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:17 am
by perceval
daniel_the_smith wrote:This has been done for a while!
nerver tried before first time when it failed i guess.
thanks again for this site.