Re: 32. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:39 am
by Fredrik
To Magicwand
Edit: Forgot to add text to the variation in lowerright so updated the sgf.
I hope moves can speak more then words, if you still dont understand I will try to explain further. I am 100% sure i'm correct 
(Please download the SGF and check all the variations, I tried my best to compare shapes to give a bigger understanding)
Haha, I would like to play one of these malkovich but this month I'm finishing High School, have a national championship to win, and are going to China for more then 1 week to participate in the world amateur go championship, so at least for a month I wont have time Three stones might be a bit much if it's not a fast game, I also think agree with that, I'm not that strong giving handicap cause I dont overplay so much
I think you are strong at fighting magicwand, but I dont think you know that much about Go theory (I did not want to insult you with my post, but as you speak quite freely about your opponents strength I thought it would be funny to have a little bit of insulting tone to you as well ^^)
(Please download the SGF and check all the variations, I tried my best to compare shapes to give a bigger understanding)Haha, I would like to play one of these malkovich but this month I'm finishing High School, have a national championship to win, and are going to China for more then 1 week to participate in the world amateur go championship, so at least for a month I wont have time
Three stones might be a bit much if it's not a fast game, I also think agree with that, I'm not that strong giving handicap cause I dont overplay so much I think you are strong at fighting magicwand, but I dont think you know that much about Go theory
(I did not want to insult you with my post, but as you speak quite freely about your opponents strength I thought it would be funny to have a little bit of insulting tone to you as well ^^)(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
PW[White]PB[Black]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[qn]
;B[po]
;W[rp]
;B[pn]
(;W[qo]C[This move defies all logic there is to Go. You should struggle to get ahead, letting black hane you down to the second row is the same as collapse. You give far too powerful influence compared to what you get in the corner. ]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[qq]
;B[pp]C[Please compare the wall's strength with this and the previous variation. If you can not see the difference, you are definetly not a dan player
Also compare the territority of white, this one is clearly inferior as you have no potential on the rightside.]
(;W[qr]C[R2 is definetly not the place to play. If you really keep on believing that I can not understand how you became a dan player. EVEN if black answer, you only made the wall stronger. Can you not understand that?]
;B[fo]C[A great tenuki, perhaps you dont see why.]
(;W[or]
;B[nq]C[A big bad damaging exchange!
Now the bottom is terriority. Later of course white can still reduce a bit however, ]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[pr]
;W[ps]
;B[oq]
;W[os]
;B[lq]
;W[kr]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]
;B[mq]
;W[ms]
;B[jr]C[The outside is a lot more then white reduced anyway, Black is way too happy. Second line is the line of defeat, this is something all Go players should know.])
(;W[lq]C[It's very easy to live and remove all territority on the bottom.]
;B[lo]
;W[jq]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]C[Impossible to die. Even if R2 was a mistake, the main mistake here is P2. White should use the value of R2 to the fullest at least, making the invasion possible. ])
(;W[nd]C[Again a strange move. We can not say it's a mistake however. Perhaps I was a little harsh here, but what I'm speaking about is the attitude. If you want to get stronger in Go, you should always play what you believe is correct, not a way to finish the game quickly.
Here, I feel, you are trying to confuse an opponent you believe is weaker by playing unorthodox. Perhaps it works against weaker players, but the style is not beautiful.]
;B[jd]C[Here, you must rethink your fundamentals. What is the purpose of O16, Is it not that next move you want to attack Q16 again?]
(;W[pf]
(;B[pc]
;W[nf]
;B[nb]C[This is the correct play by both sides.])
(;B[oe]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]
;B[of]
;W[pg]C[Too easy on white.]))
(;W[jf]
(;B[kf]C[The fight is not good for you here, obviously. You are facing a bottom full of thickness, the fight is so favorable for black. You can not convince anyone otherwise. ])
(;B[ld]
;W[nf]
;B[oe]C[This is a bad damaging move, Not the place to peep.]
(;W[ne]C[White should say thank you and connect. ])
(;W[me]C[The shape is really horrible..]
(;B[md]
;W[ne]
;B[nc]C[Can't you see allowing this leaves a future disaster for you?])
(;B[kf]C[Also black can fight here, as he can connect by N16 very happily. White is not optimistic]))))))
(;W[]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]C[Why would it be a disaster if black get's these forcing moves? Please, yet again, compare this wall with.]
(;AE[qp][rq][rr]AW[qr]AB[pr]C[With this. Here the wall are yet again thicker, because there is no stone to capture. ])
(;B[]
;W[or]C[A future forcing move on the bottom which can make it possible to invade the bottom. Even though it might be damging to territority, there is >aji< here. In your variation there is no aji and the wall is iron! Please think about the difference.
And further, there is no difference in territority compared to the game as you can capture the Q2 stone.]))
(;W[hq]C[White invades and black can obviously not kill. ]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]
(;B[ip]
(;W[gq]C[Normally we should play this move at K3, however.]
;B[gp]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]
;W[fp]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[fo]
;W[ep]
;B[jq]
;W[gr]
;B[ir]
;W[es]LB[pn:B][jp:A]C[Even though this is locally favorable for black (professionals only play this when they cant live on the bottom cuz of an iron wall. Like in the game)
Even so, white made the corner safely into 20 points. Please compare the A and B wall. For A black pay 20 points, for B he pay about 8-10. Do you really think A is worth more then 10 points more then B? Please think about this, and you will again realize how bad you played in the bottom right. There is no way that the wall in bottomleft is better then the one in bottom right, they can be considered equal though.])
(;W[jq]
;B[gq]
(;W[lq]
(;AW[qr]AB[kp][pr]LB[pr:B][qr:A]C[The game is like this, and it's alot harder to make life on the bottom. ]
;B[aa])
(;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]C[If the position is like this, ]
;B[kp]
;W[mr]
;B[kq]
;W[kr]
;B[hr]
;W[ir]
;B[is]
;W[jr]
;B[fr]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[nq]C[It would be possible to make life on the bottom. Can you see the difference now?]))
(;AW[rq][rr]AB[qp][qr])))
(;B[jq]
;W[ip]
;B[io]
;W[gp]
;B[ho]
;W[gq]
;B[kn]
;W[fp]C[Another possible variation, though locally very favorable for W. When seeing these variations, you should start understand the value of blacks tenuki.])))
(;W[qm]C[The only move, and I mean the ONLY move.]
;B[pk]
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[rk]C[This is the classical joseki. If you compare this to the game, Blacks wall is completely different. Here there is a big weakness at P8 white later can use, while in the game there is nothing.
Another benefit of this wall is that it's possible to increase your territority on the rightside in the future, In the game it's simply not possible.]))
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
PW[White]PB[Black]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[qn]
;B[po]
;W[rp]
;B[pn]
(;W[qo]C[This move defies all logic there is to Go. You should struggle to get ahead, letting black hane you down to the second row is the same as collapse. You give far too powerful influence compared to what you get in the corner. ]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[qq]
;B[pp]C[Please compare the wall's strength with this and the previous variation. If you can not see the difference, you are definetly not a dan player
Also compare the territority of white, this one is clearly inferior as you have no potential on the rightside.]
(;W[qr]C[R2 is definetly not the place to play. If you really keep on believing that I can not understand how you became a dan player. EVEN if black answer, you only made the wall stronger. Can you not understand that?]
;B[fo]C[A great tenuki, perhaps you dont see why.]
(;W[or]
;B[nq]C[A big bad damaging exchange!
Now the bottom is terriority. Later of course white can still reduce a bit however, ]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[pr]
;W[ps]
;B[oq]
;W[os]
;B[lq]
;W[kr]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]
;B[mq]
;W[ms]
;B[jr]C[The outside is a lot more then white reduced anyway, Black is way too happy. Second line is the line of defeat, this is something all Go players should know.
])(;W[lq]C[It's very easy to live and remove all territority on the bottom.]
;B[lo]
;W[jq]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]C[Impossible to die. Even if R2 was a mistake, the main mistake here is P2. White should use the value of R2 to the fullest at least, making the invasion possible. ])
(;W[nd]C[Again a strange move. We can not say it's a mistake however. Perhaps I was a little harsh here, but what I'm speaking about is the attitude. If you want to get stronger in Go, you should always play what you believe is correct, not a way to finish the game quickly.
Here, I feel, you are trying to confuse an opponent you believe is weaker by playing unorthodox. Perhaps it works against weaker players, but the style is not beautiful.]
;B[jd]C[Here, you must rethink your fundamentals. What is the purpose of O16, Is it not that next move you want to attack Q16 again?]
(;W[pf]
(;B[pc]
;W[nf]
;B[nb]C[This is the correct play by both sides.])
(;B[oe]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]
;B[of]
;W[pg]C[Too easy on white.]))
(;W[jf]
(;B[kf]C[The fight is not good for you here, obviously. You are facing a bottom full of thickness, the fight is so favorable for black. You can not convince anyone otherwise. ])
(;B[ld]
;W[nf]
;B[oe]C[This is a bad damaging move, Not the place to peep.]
(;W[ne]C[White should say thank you and connect. ])
(;W[me]C[The shape is really horrible..]
(;B[md]
;W[ne]
;B[nc]C[Can't you see allowing this leaves a future disaster for you?])
(;B[kf]C[Also black can fight here, as he can connect by N16 very happily. White is not optimistic]))))))
(;W[]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]C[Why would it be a disaster if black get's these forcing moves? Please, yet again, compare this wall with.]
(;AE[qp][rq][rr]AW[qr]AB[pr]C[With this. Here the wall are yet again thicker, because there is no stone to capture. ])
(;B[]
;W[or]C[A future forcing move on the bottom which can make it possible to invade the bottom. Even though it might be damging to territority, there is >aji< here. In your variation there is no aji and the wall is iron! Please think about the difference.
And further, there is no difference in territority compared to the game as you can capture the Q2 stone.]))
(;W[hq]C[White invades and black can obviously not kill. ]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]
(;B[ip]
(;W[gq]C[Normally we should play this move at K3, however.]
;B[gp]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]
;W[fp]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[fo]
;W[ep]
;B[jq]
;W[gr]
;B[ir]
;W[es]LB[pn:B][jp:A]C[Even though this is locally favorable for black (professionals only play this when they cant live on the bottom cuz of an iron wall. Like in the game)
Even so, white made the corner safely into 20 points. Please compare the A and B wall. For A black pay 20 points, for B he pay about 8-10. Do you really think A is worth more then 10 points more then B? Please think about this, and you will again realize how bad you played in the bottom right. There is no way that the wall in bottomleft is better then the one in bottom right, they can be considered equal though.])
(;W[jq]
;B[gq]
(;W[lq]
(;AW[qr]AB[kp][pr]LB[pr:B][qr:A]C[The game is like this, and it's alot harder to make life on the bottom. ]
;B[aa])
(;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]C[If the position is like this, ]
;B[kp]
;W[mr]
;B[kq]
;W[kr]
;B[hr]
;W[ir]
;B[is]
;W[jr]
;B[fr]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[nq]C[It would be possible to make life on the bottom. Can you see the difference now?]))
(;AW[rq][rr]AB[qp][qr])))
(;B[jq]
;W[ip]
;B[io]
;W[gp]
;B[ho]
;W[gq]
;B[kn]
;W[fp]C[Another possible variation, though locally very favorable for W. When seeing these variations, you should start understand the value of blacks tenuki.])))
(;W[qm]C[The only move, and I mean the ONLY move.]
;B[pk]
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[rk]C[This is the classical joseki. If you compare this to the game, Blacks wall is completely different. Here there is a big weakness at P8 white later can use, while in the game there is nothing.
Another benefit of this wall is that it's possible to increase your territority on the rightside in the future, In the game it's simply not possible.]))
Edit: Forgot to add text to the variation in lowerright so updated the sgf.