[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 3 O . X O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O 2 . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 5 4 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I considered a few points in the area to improve my connection. This one seems the most sente, and seems uncuttable. After this, the white group below looks like it can be made weakish. Then I try to get points in sente, then I solidify the bottom left, getting more influence and points. If I get that, I will have managed to get all of the sente things I wanted for midgame in a single sequence. The one I'm least sure of is the top left, as he may not respond, and certainly has other options for it. I may also decide, rather than playing the bottom left in gote, to invade the top middle.
I am trying to keep sente for 5ish different tenukis in midgame against a much stronger player? Good lord, such bravado! But the way to play your best is to play any game as though you are strong enough to play your opponent even (and as if they are you, if you're higher ranked). Kageyama wouldn't want me to run and hide, and so I shan't. I AM a bit curious if this top right was aji-keshi, but I'm not too worried. The white stones in the area were all independently alive, so my cutting aji really... wasn't. Instead, I'd rather negate all local white influence, and give white a (mildly) weak group. Really enjoying this game right now. Dunno if it's my overall good mood lately, or if it is (superhero pose) THE POWER OF SENTE!
edit: fixed a missing stone in the hidden diagram
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:55 pm
by yithril
$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 9 O . X O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I understand why he did his move but to be honest the center is meaningless for me because of all his bottom stones. I have no forcing moves to make a wall facing that direction so trying to break up my blockade on the center is not worth a whole heck of a lot. This was the last big point on the board and I'm taking it!
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:51 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O 2 . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
HE TENUKI'ED! My first instinct is to slam a stone down at O11 as a challenge. However, there's no assurance that I'll get anything real in the attack. I'm going to try to get sente out of this, THEN play O11 (or something like it). There are two obvious responses to my blocking at D17. Either he'll connect back underneath (which ends in gote) or he'll try to live in the corner. If he does that, I'll probably need to invade the top with my wall. H17 is the obvious answer, and seems to have potential, though I'll need to read my responses to G16 if we get a little closer to that. And for what it's worth, if I play O11, it's a ladder-maker for the bottom left.
After my inital (HOW COULD HE!) response, it makes more sense. I said myself that I had no intent to kill these stones. He's saying that I can't, even with a tenuki. If I can't kill them, it will be hard to do much with the influence I get in the middle. So I'll probably harrass them a little, then try to leave the region with sente to get some kind of points somewhere. Either on the bottom, or around B8ish.
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:54 am
by Magicwand
my first instinct on white's move: overplay that give a chance to black. if i was black..i would tenuki and attack white group. white was winning before that move and gave black a chance to comeback. then again..it is my opinion.
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . 3 . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
You know what? For now, at least, this is bigger. If it becomes such that it no longer is, I can back down and return to the corner. For now though, I would ignore most anything in the top left to kill this group.
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:19 pm
by yithril
$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Man I thought he would let me get away with overplay, but I guess not. I figured since he let me ponnuki there he would take a passive approach to the game. Well I won't die and I have some...creative solutions for the bottom.
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:27 pm
by daniel_the_smith
If I were white I'd sack that and hope black spends another move killing it. I mean, they aren't strategic stones in any way that I can see. They don't keep black weak anywhere, they aren't part of a moyo, etc. It looks like a heavy group to me...
Maybe that's why I'm not 4d...
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:57 pm
by judicata
daniel_the_smith wrote:If I were white I'd sack that and hope black spends another move killing it. I mean, they aren't strategic stones in any way that I can see. They don't keep black weak anywhere, they aren't part of a moyo, etc. It looks like a heavy group to me...
Maybe that's why I'm not 4d...
I was about to ask whether white would simply be too far behind on points if it died. But, looking at it again, I guess that area isn't that big (and assuming white could get some compensation elsewhere).
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:03 am
by Chew Terr
$$Wcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O X . O . 6 . . . . O O . X O X . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . . O X 1 O X X . 8 6 5 O O . X O X . | $$ | . O . X . O O X . O 4 O X . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . 7 2 X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Trying to set up miltiple targets for attack. Something like the above. I may try to change the order a bit so that he cannot just exchange for the clumpy group in the first diagram for his middle group. We'll see what I get out of this, but it feels like a fun attack regardless.
Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:51 pm
by Magicwand
for obs:
nice move.. i like it. but his variation needs more thinking.
reason why i say it is good move is... he has a weak stone so he can not attack that invasion. if he try as below ...it will endanger his weak stone.
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