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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:10 pm
by marespie
Thanks for the tips. I'm having my son study your strategy.
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:41 pm
by Dusk Eagle
@Kirby:
See, I wasn't entirely sure, which is why I was vague. But the main thing I was thinking of was the 3-3 point you showed:
$$Wcm69
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm69The problem I see with the other move is that I can get the corner sequence in sente and then set to work on reducing from the top.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1If he then responds passively at 'a' (which is probably a mistake, but let's say black wants to avoid complications), then the game seems close by my count (which I hope is not embarrassingly wrong
). That isn't a good thing for black in a handicap game.
However, if he just takes the 3-3, he denies me potential territory in the corner and guarantees himself extra territory. So, while I admit my judgment could be flawed here, I think it's the higher-percentage move here.
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:28 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm70 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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A question about E1, should I play the exchange of E1 and D1? It counts as the same liberties for E2 and E3 stones (4 libs), but when later if there's need for this group to extend at F2, this exchange will shorten liberties of this group.
But he did not play the sequence of white D1, black E1, white C1, does it mean that he thinks this is better for white than the sequence that exchange has been made? Or maybe this is just too small for he to consider
If he cuts at E4, i think i'll sacrify those two stones. but I don't think he will...
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:39 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm71 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I believe I'll be fine to head into the macro-endgame after my success in the bottom-left.
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1I can't figure out a good way to reduce his top-left, so I'll play some other endgame moves like
above instead.
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:57 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm72 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:45 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm73 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:02 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Trigger:
$$Bcm74 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:30 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm74 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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as a note of where I want to play...
$$Wcm73 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . c X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X d . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . e X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:03 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm75 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:10 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm76 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:17 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm77 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm77 Prisoners: Trigger if you play R18:
$$Bcm78 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I'm not worried. I can play S11 to settle easily.
$$Bcm76
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:26 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm80 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:46 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm81 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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I definitely should have atari'd on top for
. I didn't anticipate this move by him.
Anyway, I'd write a bit more about this move, but it's very late so I'm too tired too.
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:38 am
by Psychee
$$Bcm82 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . X O . . O . . O O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X 1 O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | X X O O X . X . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm82 Prisoners: I feel i'm playing slower as this becomes difficult to read, or at least diffcult for me to read.
Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:15 pm
by richardamullens
I'd play J15 but maybe it is rather wishy-washy !
). That isn't a good thing for black in a handicap game.
above instead.
. I didn't anticipate this move by him.