33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . W O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I must move out with my weak group.

edit: crapola, I just realized I misread the status of my group on the bottom. It's not alive yet. That means I am definitely losing.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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Hm, white is not looking all that great in this game. Will Zinger be able to pull it off?

Magicwand's games are very entertaining ^^
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W L2 leaves black with one eye, right?
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Lol, I missed an entire page of moves when I made my last comment.

I think black can make a second eye in the j5 area, but I tend to be overconfident in things like that.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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I'm going way, way beyond my depth, but does this work after white L2 (assuming black can't escape or make an eye in the J5 area)?
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ . O X . , X O X 0 . O . . . |
$$ O . O . 7 5 6 X O . X O . . |
$$ . O O 3 2 1 4 . X X . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 8 . 9 . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm11
$$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ . O X . , X . X X a O . . . |
$$ O . O . O O X X O 1 X O . . |
$$ . O O O X O X . X X 2 O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . O b . . . |
$$ ----------------------------[/go]
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I don't get it, Black just looks alive :-?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . 3 . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . 5 2 4 . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or 4 at 5 and 5 at 4
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Black looks ok to me, too. Pretty sure that white will not play 3 in fwiffo's diagram, though.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . O B B O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have to be careful here. I think white is trying to get some safety for his right side group, which will weaken my group there. Then he can play a or similar, which I will have to answer by living with my bottom group, and he can attack my right side group strongly.

On the other hand, if I just connect on the second line, I have made a nice yose gain, since white loses the chance to capture and I gain the first line hane in sente.

I think if I connect, my right side group is not in terrible trouble yet. He will probably add another move there, then I can hop into the center again. He might be able to set up the cut at b, but in a pinch I can discard the marked stones, which costs less than he is giving me on the edge anyway. So I do it.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , W . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
what i played is very urgent for both black and white. i made the game very complicated but..not complicated enough.
but i think black is rattled by my complicated attack which is good. i assume he will make mistake and one mistake is all i need to win. i am not too far behind.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
OK, he took the shared eyespace on the right, but in gote. So I move out into the center.

I have to be careful to stay away from the bottom. Any move he makes in the K7 area might be enough to set up a kill of my bottom group. For example if I jump to K9, his peep at L8 could make a difference.

Eventually I will probably have to play K2 in gote to live. That won't feel good, but it is worth several points, so not a total loss.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . 1 . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I will try to break through, to keep pressure on his right side group. His last two moves there didn't help him all that much, I can still play S11 and connect above or below. The best defense to my own weaknesses is to make sure he has one too.
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