[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is a bit on the small side perhaps, but played in the interest of keeping a base for Black. It also sets up endgame with a monkey jump to a16.
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . a . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O 3 X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black has no weak groups; this is his last thin point. It is basically sente against E18 (White could survive on both sides, but allowing this split would be very painful).
Black has lost most of the threat at E14, but he has enough points now. He can continue with the simple slide in the lower right, and then perhaps J13.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:44 pm
by Nikolas73
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There was a little life and death problem here. As far as I could read, White lives with M18 - but then becomes separated and Black encircles the group, making it "live small". I think it is better to keep things simple and connect - White has a cut at E16 or F17 now.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:12 am
by fwiffo
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O 6 . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There is not much that White can do. I think that I will look how this corner plays out and then think about resigning. How does resigning work in Zengo, anyway?
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:31 pm
by Nikolas73
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O 7 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O 7 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move was a little puzzling, but I believe is the correct response, locally. I can only think that Black wanted to accompish something like this, where both A and B are threatened:
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . a | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O 6 8 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . 7 X b . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O 7 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . 8 X 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If White cuts around S5 at some point (perhaps instead of Black should have no trouble defending, because White will need to connect after Black defends at S6.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:03 pm
by fwiffo
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . 8 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . 8 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are a couple elementary joseki for this invasion. This one lets black connect out but gives up less of the corner and ends in sente for white. The other choices seal black in and let him make life in the corner, giving white influence on the outside. But because black is both alive and very strong on the outside, there isn't any value in cutting and giving up that much of the corner.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:58 am
by Harleqin
$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 0 X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . 6 7 O O 4 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O 5 9 1 X 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
However, Black has enough.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:29 pm
by fwiffo
I think white is at least 25 points behind and probably ought to resign. You guys agree?
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:43 pm
by Harleqin
fwiffo wrote:I think white is at least 25 points behind and probably ought to resign. Do you agree?
I count White definitely behind, although I think that it is a bit less than 25 points, rather about 10-15, but Black is also so thick that I would regard it as very difficult for White to catch up.
I would consent to a resignation here.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:05 am
by fwiffo
@Nikolas: You OK with moving on to a review?
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:37 am
by Nikolas73
Sorry, I was ill for a few days. Yes, go ahead - in games at my level I might continue 10-20 moves more as anything can happen, but I doubt Black will make any serious mistakes in this game.
Re: Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2
When I played I expected , and that's what Nikolas played. On move 6, Harleqin commented that the left side was less interesting because of the low position of . I think it's true that the large enclosure facing the top makes an extension on that side makes an extension for white seem pretty smallish on the left side. But it's a very nice extension for black (and therefore a nice one for white to prevent). So it still seems like a really big point to me. Anyone else have an opinion?
Both Harleqin and I thought was a mistake. At my level, I just sorta "know" it's bad, but it's hard for me to prove it.
- happened exactly as I expected and I think black had an advantage by this point. Then comes white's invasion... I'd like to see some stronger players comment on that.
is the correct response, locally. I can only think that Black wanted to accompish something like this, where both A and B are threatened:
Black should have no trouble defending, because White will need to connect after Black defends at S6.
I expected 
, and that's what Nikolas played. On move 6, Harleqin commented that the left side was less interesting because of the low position of 
. I think it's true that the large enclosure facing the top makes an extension on that side makes an extension for white seem pretty smallish on the left side. But it's a very nice extension for black (and therefore a nice one for white to prevent). So it still seems like a really big point to me. Anyone else have an opinion?
was a mistake. At my level, I just sorta "know" it's bad, but it's hard for me to prove it.
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happened exactly as I expected and I think black had an advantage by this point. Then comes white's invasion... I'd like to see some stronger players comment on that.