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Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

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Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:49 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . 1 O O . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Indeed, this is getting all exciting now :D

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:17 pm
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . X . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X X X |
$$ | . X X . C O O 2 . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . C . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . C . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . C C C |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 C . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . . . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:01 pm
by hyperpape
Not for players until after the game
Did topazg miss A6, or is there a reason not to play it? G1 might have also been better than the game move, but I'm not gonna count the number of stones in those groups.

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:12 pm
by MarkSteere
I'll require a steady supply of blunders by Graham to have any hope of winning.

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:17 am
by topazg
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . . . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . . |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:59 am
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . . . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

...although in fairness, Graham is doing great for a beginner. Early on, everyone played with a killy style. Then someone developed the strategy of being more reserved with the violence.

Oust dynamics are far from obvious, even after you've been subjected to the abuse a few times.

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:02 am
by topazg
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . . X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


It seems one of my biggest concerns is trying to avoid you from connecting at J3 - something which requires tact and finesse that I don't really have :D In the meantime, I'll hope to encourage you to say hello to my bigger groups ;)

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:07 am
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | O . X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

I won't win here, but if I did, it would provide an excellent demonstration of what can happen when two unevenly matched players switch colors mid-game, should anyone ever want to do that.

I think the sente drifting back and forth effect was something that used to happen early on, when everyone was killy. Now, if you can launch a pretty good avalanche, taking hostages, you've got a solid advantage. Might be about time to shift up to larger boards - 12x12 and 8x8x8.

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:13 am
by topazg
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | C 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 . 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 X |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Yeah, that makes sense - it's funny how the game pans out when you have groups that are simply too small to compete with the local enemies, and you have situations where you leave them because nothing else makes sense

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:16 am
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 C |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . . 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:41 am
by topazg
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O 9 . 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:16 am
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . 3 |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O C 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . 5 . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . . C |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . C . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . X . 0 . |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X X X . X |
$$ | . X . X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X . X . . C 0 0 . |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | C . . . . . C C C C . |
$$ | C C C C C . . C . . . |
$$ | . . . C . . C C C . X |
$$ | . X . C C C C . 0 . . |
$$ | . 7 X . C . . . 0 0 . |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm71 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . 7 X . . . . . 0 0 . |
$$ | 7 . X X . . . . . 2 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O O 2 2 8 4 |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . 6 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . 0 8 |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

This position is not unrealistic, even after the color switch between mismatched players. Occasionally sente swings do take place between evenly matched, advanced players.

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:18 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$cm81 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . X |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


My ... stones?? :P

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:32 pm
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$cm81 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . 2 X |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

topazg wrote:My ... stones?? :P

:lol: I just scraped by, the white 21 killing a black 20.
,

Re: Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:42 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$cm81 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . 2 X |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . O O |
$$ | . X X . . O O O O O O |
$$ | . X X . . . O O . O . |
$$ | . X . . X . . O . O O |
$$ | X X X X X X . . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . . O O . O |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


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