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35. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:04 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is a sort of probe. i wanna see how he react to my strange attack.
if i attack too close he might sacrifice 1 stone.
so i am attacking it little bigger.
i hope he runs then game will be quick.
if he still sacrifice then .....it will be long and tiring game.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:27 pm
by Magicwand
Kerby: i am really intrested to see how you answer my latest move.
but!

i will be back on Tue night.
i am going on a vacation.

mean while...study hard.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:35 pm
by Kirby
Magicwand wrote:Kerby: i am really intrested to see how you answer my latest move.
but!

i will be back on Tue night.
i am going on a vacation.

mean while...study hard.


Have a good vacation. I will read out the rest of the game while you are away :)

For beginners

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:21 am
by Joaz Banbeck
For beginners:
This game provides some examples of contact moves.

1-on-1 contact moves should be made against strong stones, like this:

viewtopic.php?p=10410#p10410

Not against weak stones, like this:

viewtopic.php?p=9799#p9799

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:20 am
by gaius
My sealed move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . d . . . . . B . . . . . , b . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . a , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White cannot capture the marked stone large. If black simply takes some more territory and reinforces his corner, then no matter what white does, I believe his last move will end up in a terribly overconcentrated position. After this, I have no idea what white is supposed to do next... And whatever he does, black can easily continue grabbing solid cash at points like a-d, and wrap up the game.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:36 am
by topazg
My sealed move:

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:26 am
by Kirby
Well, since Magicwand says he'll be gone until Tuesday, I'm going to take my time thinking about the next move.

I'm finding that, in these Malkovich games, I should spend a lot of time thinking about the moves. This is extremely difficult for me to do. I am used to playing online mostly, and I play fairly quickly. When it comes to tournaments, I tend to use more time, but the tournament games that I go to are typically 30 to 45 minutes of main time at a maximum.

These Malkovich games span several days, which is a totally new experience to me. It's definitely a test of my patience, as well as a challenge to coming up with good moves. I sometimes feel inclined to play the first move I think of, but I have more time than that here.

I think that these Malkovich games are a positive experience for me, but they are definitely very different than the go that I'm used to playing!

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:06 am
by Bill Spight
Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I have sente. I don't really understand Magicwand's last sequence. I think that it's missing the big picture. Magicwand's influence is already pretty great, so it seemed to me that he should have used it. I suppose it's a bit stronger now, but he gave me the opportunity to simply grab more territory.

I feel completely at ease with this game right now. Maybe he'll play something like K8 next. I'm not sure what's best, though.

I considered playing a large knight's enclosure, but it's not good because white can then play somewhere in the center and make one of my enclosures ineffective.


This play baffles me. As well as the fact the Kirby only mentions the large knight's extension as an alternative. What is so great about the left side? White is already strong there. Black has no attack, and the remaining 2 space extension is small. In addition, what relation does this play have with Black's other stones?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . 1 . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b1: is the obvious play, Not only is it a big point, it has a good relation to the marked stones.

People sometimes shrug off opening mistakes of this kind by saying that it only costs a point or two. But if you lost 2 points on every move you would get crushed. I would not be surprised if the difference between this play and the play in the game is more than two points.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For an alternative you might think of plays like this, to make it a bit easier to throw the tengen stone away. (Not that I recommend it, but it is better than the game play.)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 1 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or if you want to extend from the bottom left corner, extend on the bottom side, where you have potential to develop.

Edit: Unhidden.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:36 am
by Bill Spight
Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is a sort of probe. i wanna see how he react to my strange attack.
if i attack too close he might sacrifice 1 stone.
so i am attacking it little bigger.
i hope he runs then game will be quick.
if he still sacrifice then .....it will be long and tiring game.


The voice of experience.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:w1: is my first thought, aiming at "a", and attacking the tengen stone (marked) on a large scale. Note that if Black plays at "b", the tengen stone still does not have a base.

Magicwand's play may well be better in practice. You can't play too relaxed a game when you are giving three stones. ;) (Note that in their previous game he did not play the wedge on the left side, but approached the top left corner, even though it already had an enclosure. There I think the wedge was plainly superior -- in theory, anyway. But Magicwand's play worked out nicely.)

Edit: Unhidden.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:49 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I couldn't wait. This is why I'm bad at such long games. I am too excited to see what will happen next, so it is hard for me to take a long time to think about the moves...

But in this case, I'm not sure if I have to.

Yilun Yang, a 7d pro, often talks about how amateurs do not play consistently. I think I am guilty of this to a large degree, even in this game. You can play go having different styles, but when you mix up your strategies, it is hard to find a road to victory.

Well, Yilun Yang splits strategy into three groups:
1.) Fighting
2.) Territorial
3.) Moyo

Since this was a handicap game without free placement, and all of my three initial stones were on the star points, it might have made more sense for me to play a moyo or fighting game. But as the game progressed in this case, I've clearly chosen to take territory in the top two corners, whereas white has gone for a great amount of influence.

With this in mind, since white has such great central influence, it doesn't make sense for me to try to adopt a moyo strategy on the bottom half of the board. White already has a ton of central influence, so any moyo that I try to make can easily be extinguished without much effort by white.

So if a moyo game doesn't work, I'm left with trying to adopt either a fighting or territorial strategy on the bottom half of the board. Do I want to fight right now? I don't think so. That's because I believe I am ahead on points, and white has a lot of power. Power is good for attacking, so if I try to start a fight, it won't do me much good.

With this type of thinking in mind, maybe playing the tengen wasn't so good to begin with... But, I think that I am still comfortable in this game, because there is one strategy remaining out of the categories that Yilun Yang has defined: a territorial strategy.

Just like the top, I can continue to try to simply take more points. White doesn't have anything to really attack except for the tengen, and he cannot enclose the entire center anyway. Even if he did, by adopting a territorial strategy, I can still lead on points.

The easiest places for me to make territory right now are the two bottom corners, which are both open. Now I can ask myself, which would be easier for white to invade? I think the bottom right is bigger for white to invade, because I have made a large knight's enclosure.

The move I played in the game is a standard enclosure, which grabs me a bunch of points... And I like points! I'll continue to increase the gap in points between Magicwand and me. Maybe he'll play me again at 2 stones after that.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:27 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i can not let him have both corner. i will have to limit at least one.
right corner is still empty.. chance for me to invade.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:21 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Magicwand played this move with interesting timing. I have a few options.

First of all, I do not really want to play the 3-3. White has the following possible sequences if I do:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 . . a . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 8 X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 1 9 . a . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | 7 3 2 W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Typically when I see these sequences, white has a move around "a" as well, but in this case, immediately going for these sequences might be too good for him, since he already has some influence radiating along the left side. I don't really want either of these sequences for this reason.

My next thought is to just seal him in:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I doubt my wall will be that effective.

With the game move, white might still try to live inside, but I keep him more enclosed. There are also some variations where I can kill him if he tries to get inside. I think that this is the best move.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:30 am
by amnal
Is it just me, or is Kirby's first sequence for white in the corner extremely good for black?

I think white really needs the stone that Kirby offhandedly notes isn't there.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 1:50 pm
by gaius
amnal wrote:
Is it just me, or is Kirby's first sequence for white in the corner extremely good for black?

I think white really needs the stone that Kirby offhandedly notes isn't there.


I certainly hope Kirby means that white pushes and then plays 'a' or some such move; and he doesn't like it because of the aji of the diagramme sequence.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 3:59 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hum...he wants the corner...i certainly can not tenuki. knowing that he has a killer endgame i must be careful.
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