[go]$$Bcm51 Move 51 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X . X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I see this coming. It's looking like this will be pretty big sente endgame, or he'll take sente, but leave a lot for me. He can also choose a lot of transpositions.
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I don't want to be rude (at least, I normally try not to be), but what is this nonsense. Peep, then tenuki when your opponent ignores it?? That's not a peep, it's arty farty stone throwing. If you make a threat, and your opponent lets you follow it up, follow it up or it was a non-threat in the first place. In this case, that cut was huge:
$$Wcm42 Move 42 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X 1 X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm42 Move 42 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X 1 X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I agree with topaz here.
I don't know what it is about this game, but I don't think either one of them is playing their best. Why not take the cut at L4? It was ignored so you should definitely take the cut. It's so big! I think both players are trying way too hard or something that's throwing off their game. I don't think half of these moves would've happened with regular time settings.
I supposed sometimes having TOO much time is a bad thing. There is honestly no rush to these games so I do not really understand where these odd/awkward moves are coming from.
Lastly, I just want to clarify that I don't mean to single out any of the two players. I've criticized white's moves more than black, but it's most likely because I feel he's making some very odd mistakes, more so than black. For example, I don't like black's answer to white's peep either, but the follow up after the peep is what just confuses me very much. Am I not reading this correctly?
Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:54 am
by cyclops
daniel_the_smith wrote:
:w38: is the first move I saw in this game, and I think it looks really weird. c13 looks a lot better to me.
for kibitzers only:
I think MagicWand's and Topasz' discusion about W38@H4 shows this W38@H5 is aji keshi. That is spoiling opportunities to be exploited later on.
Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 am
by dfan
ketchup wrote:I don't know what it is about this game, but I don't think either one of them is playing their best. Why not take the cut at L4? It was ignored so you should definitely take the cut. It's so big! I think both players are trying way too hard or something that's throwing off their game. I don't think half of these moves would've happened with regular time settings.
I supposed sometimes having TOO much time is a bad thing. There is honestly no rush to these games so I do not really understand where these odd/awkward moves are coming from.
It's kind of paradoxical, but I think that the key to playing good go, at least around my level (which is pretty much the same as these players), is to trust the fundamentals more than your own brain. This happens in chess as well. So many times I see someone (often myself!) say, "Well, the normal honest move would be to play at a, but I think I see a tricky reason to play b instead," and 80+% of the time they're wrong. Another good example of this, not to pick on individual people too much, is happening with some of Jordus's moves in the ongoing rengo game. It's not that we don't understand the fundamentals, it's that we keep looking at them and tossing them aside because we think we know better!
In both chess and go, I've really noticed myself improve when I am able to put my ego aside and really accept that the fundamentals are smarter than I am, and if I am trying to contradict them, chances are that I am wrong. I think this is one reason that strong players think that anyone should be able to get to 1 dan; they see even 1-2ks breaking simple rules all the time, and really, how hard should it be to just stop doing that?
Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:14 am
by Marcus
$$Wcm52 Move 52 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X . X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm56 Move 56 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X 1 X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And now for something ... completely different.
Black is doing his best to remove all my right-hand "territory". Of course, having left so much weakness on that side of the board, I wasn't counting on much territory there. This cut keeps my group from becoming too weak, and puts a larger hold on the bottom side.
Hmmm ... HIS group on the bottom is looking a little weak. Might be time to harass it a little bit.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:34 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm57 Move 57 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He can have that stone. My group is fine, so I'll tenuki. I'm going to see what he had in mind when he played this elephant jump. I would give variations, but I have no idea what the original purpose of the move was. It just seems odd.
Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:16 pm
by Marcus
$$Wcm58 Move 58 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm62 Move 62 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Interesting ... I was sure he wouldn't let me out so easily.
He's making it very hard to predict where he'll move next. As such, I'm having trouble making plans. However, anything that lest me further isolate his lower group makes me happy.
