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#184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

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Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:12 am
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:14 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:20 am
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:29 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The plan is to induce a move on the bottom and then attack :w43: from the top. May end badly but should be fun!

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:37 am
by tomukaze
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:51 am
by topazg
After :w43: I think White's in a bit of trouble for the game... He was already struggling a bit for points without having a weak group to be chased for profit, and his top left group is still in need of TLC

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:10 am
by Boidhre
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've no idea if this works or not but in for a penny, in for a pound.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:12 am
by Marcus
Personally, I'd play one space closer at R13. I don't think Boidhre's move is bad, though.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:38 am
by skydyr
I'm with Marcus... white's stone is in such a bad position, it should be attacked as severely as possible.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:43 am
by topazg
I would have played Boidhre's move :P

There are some real advantages with respect to the corner this way, and I think it's hard to kill that stone, so if you're going to chase for profit, having more secure profit is probably a good thing.

My 5c/5p anyway

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:54 am
by skydyr
@topazg
topazg wrote:I would have played Boidhre's move :P

There are some real advantages with respect to the corner this way, and I think it's hard to kill that stone, so if you're going to chase for profit, having more secure profit is probably a good thing.

My 5c/5p anyway


My thought was that black still has aji in the corner, so he'll need to come back and fix at some point anyways. It may as well be tougher for white in the meanwhile.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:06 am
by tomukaze
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:24 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . 0 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:27 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Possibly I should take sente here but my defensive instincts are screaming.

If he doesn't connect I have a in sente:

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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a O , . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . c . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . d . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 7 . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he connects I play b immediately. If he jumps to c, I jump to d.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:33 am
by Boidhre
I'm an idiot.
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