This sequence of moves trades the corner for a wall. However, black ends up in gote and white gets the ideal . This move reduces the effectiveness of the wall significantly. Note that is very light and can be easily be given away.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:33 pm
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #68 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . B . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #68 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . B . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
for simplicity, i have exchanged the prisoners (0,0 instead of 1,1)
come on, my stones are safe... playing like this is usually annoying but not really dangerous for the group (if you respond carefully and properly). i guess white wants only some moves around F6 in sente to reduce my left more effectively after
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:42 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:48 pm
by Chew Terr
Magicwand:
Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:06 pm
by Magicwand
Chew Terr wrote:Magicwand:
Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?
finally question directed to me
i do not have any weak group so his influence doesnt scare me and it is not that hard to make a life in there. i have enough points to match his points and i am thicker. i believe i am ahead. if he gives second variation instead of life on the side...i think that is good enough.
$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 6 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #70 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . B X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am satisfied with simply forcing white into the center because it allowed me to solidify my upper left side. alternative (i have profit, but white center influence grows):
$$Wcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 3 2 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . 4 1 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . B . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . 2 X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Yes, breaks sector lines, but White is secure on the right, and has a number of good options on the left. After the diagonal attachment, Black has no eye on the bottom side.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:59 am
by Laman
$$Bcm1 Move #72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . O . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . 6 . 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
and i dont feel like playing the ko, especially with my groups on the right, just strong enough to be alive further i can aim at connecting my K3 group to the left, making potencial to the center (and capturing or attacking W C8)
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:57 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Move #73 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . O W . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . | $$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . 6 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What makes you think that W6 cannot connect?
unkx80:
err, nothing. sequence youve shown was clearly better for white, my point was that even my, worse variation wasnt preferable for black, so i left that branch and didnt examine it thoroughly. my alfa-beta prunning sometimes makes me miss something important . luckily this wasnt the case
. This move reduces the effectiveness of the wall significantly. Note that 
is very light and can be easily be given away.
breaks sector lines, but White is secure on the right, and has a number of good options on the left. After the diagonal attachment, Black has no eye on the bottom side.