[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Committed now. There's big aji in the corner. but after H3 I had no easy way of developing it, so things like the E3 peep prevent it from being a large corner already. As a result, I'm assuming he doesn't have any outright killing sequences, and making a group in the middle that could be used to reduced potential White frameworks on either side.
Is it overplay? No idea. One thing was for sure, I couldn't let White simply carry on making the walls to his moyo, and I didn't like either of:
$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 2 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So, I figure, if the middle's the important bit, let's dangle the bait in front of magicwand, and hope to draw him into a fight that I feel can't be favourable for White as he doesn't have enough friends near by.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am not going to say i am going to win...but i feel much more comfortable that i have a chance to finish my opponent. some two stone game you are playing catchup till finish and dont get to have a chance to win. Lower left corner is next because i dont want him to cover his weakness in sente..
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:01 pm
by Magicwand
below is my expectation. black may win by playing such game but it is nothing like flow of water i described on other thread. my opponent's play goes against the flow and forcing the issues. i blame all to his low pincer. knowing my influence growing on everymove he should have played it high to stop my influence
$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . 9 . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . 9 . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
to explain my thought process.. below was my first thought and didnt like it because of my weakess on the influence. influence with weakness can not profit points.. although it is a gote i made sure it is strong enough to convert into points.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 pm
by The Intrepid
@topazg
topazg wrote:I'm feeling very sad about this game now
You clearly misspoke. Did you not mean to say that you are completely winning and that your opponent is soon going to resign? A strange typographical error on your part.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:17 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Boo, hiss, I'd missed this. I thought the annoying aji was E3, but this is much more annoying. I have to be very careful about the right way to play this ko, but I simply cannot back down anywhere now.
@Intrepid:
You're quite right, I misjudged the position last move. My lead is clear now, magicwand's corner invasion is desperation, nothing more
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:22 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm51 Prisoners: none $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X 4 . | $$ | . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 1 . . O O . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
