Life In 19x19

Sorry, double post.... so: I just write some more.

There are two main arguments made against transparency. Here are my comments about them:

1. Privacy and Head On A Pike.

I think that bad behavior in public already puts the offender in the spotlight. Making the punishment clear and visible can be a very good deterrent to this offender and to others not to do stuff like that. Otherwise - somebody is naughty and disappears for a few days - and nobody knows if he is just busy or got banned - no deterrent, bad behavior continues.

2. Scaring off newcomers.

As with each such argument - it can have two sides. On one side, some might get put off by seeing such 'banning' log. On the other hand, people usually understand that bad behavior exists on internet, and being transparent about how this behavior is handled can be something attracting newcomers. I don't think many newcomers and naive to the point that they will think there is no bad behavior on L19 just because there is no info about banning.

Just like knowing that a Go server has a strict anti-escaper policy might draw in more people then if you just sweep the escaper problem under the rug and hope nobody notices.

After all - moderation and stricter policies was the main advantage of L19 (or GD) over rgg and the reason this community grew and rgg withered.
Moderation and policies we have here is a selling point, not something to hide. It is something to show!
So why not show it?

Bantari (message #75), very good! In addition, moderation must be made transparent for the user getting a ban: he must get email copies of all private messages sent to him because otherwise, during the ban, he cannot access and therefore cannot read any private messages and therefore cannot know reasons and duration of a ban or judge whether the type of ban is correct or whether a programming bug might be involved.

tchan001 wrote:Can you please specify where such an instance has occurred on L19? Or are you trying to troll the admins and mods.
Please note that trolling is against the rules of the forum.

Since you asked: Helel.

Insane wrote:

tchan001 wrote:Can you please specify where such an instance has occurred on L19? Or are you trying to troll the admins and mods.
Please note that trolling is against the rules of the forum.

Since you asked: Helel.

Helel definitely announced he was leaving, after someone else said something venomous and unwarranted about him. But I've never been clear on how he managed to delete his account and his posts, since the mods apparently don't know how to it themselves.

Insane wrote:

tchan001 wrote:Can you please specify where such an instance has occurred on L19? Or are you trying to troll the admins and mods.
Please note that trolling is against the rules of the forum.

Since you asked: Helel.

I wasn't a mod in the days of Helel, so I don't know what happened. I don't know how many warnings Helel received before he was banned. So I can only speculate what led to the disappearance of his account and posts. It would seem to need an awful lot of warnings and complaints to warrant such an administrative action.

jts wrote:Helel definitely announced he was leaving, after someone else said something venomous and unwarranted about him. But I've never been clear on how he managed to delete his account and his posts, since the mods apparently don't know how to it themselves.

Wait! Does this mean it is possible to delete ALL posts by an account (with the help of some insults and obnoxious behaviour), but whenever somebody kindly asked for it, they were told it is impossible to do so?

I know I can delete post by post but I won't spend the time to do it just because someone asks for it to be done. If someone really wants to delete their old posts here, please edit them yourself at your own leisure.