[go]$$Bcm71 B: 1 capture $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . . X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X 5 . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I didn't do a lot of analysis, but this seems better than trying to save the stone. My 3 black stones will come under attack. It may be best to sacrifice them and focus on consolidating the right side.
Is that Fuego's evaluation of the position or a reflection of the price you've had to pay for serving as Fuego's conduit in games on this site? Also, are there error bars associated with this number?
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
That number is just my instinct. (I think consulting Fuego would probably be cheating.) When I did those Fuego malkovich games I thought it was fun watching the estimation go up and down after different moves, so I thought I would try to guess my own chances of winning. I have no idea what the error bars are, but they're probably fairly large!
I also think these cutting stones are important. Thankfully, it looks like Black has time to change his mind about sacrificing them, because I don't think these stones can be captured, yet ... At least I don't see a way to do it.
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
The Intrepid wrote:I also think these cutting stones are important. Thankfully, it looks like Black has time to change his mind about sacrificing them, because I don't think these stones can be captured, yet ... At least I don't see a way to do it.
I agree that they can't be easily captured right away, but my instinct is that by letting white take the initiative there, white can get a lot of sente plays against them to strengthen his own groups.
[go]$$Bcm71 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Thoughts: First, White's move doesn't completely capture the black stones, but I probably don't want to get chased.
Overall territory balance: White's lower-left corner is slightly larger than black's lower right corner, but not a lot: 4-5 points. The captures give white a little bit in the center, but most of our points are coming from the top and sides.
White has a fairly solid 30 point side + upper corner. I have a much looser framework, but one that stretches over a much larger area. Three basic ideas occur to me:
$$Bcm79 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm79 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel like "a" is the best move for me here, because it makes territory and prevents white from expanding. I don't like the way the board looks if white gets "a".
$$Bcm79 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm79 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . 2 . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this is by far the largest move on the board. It captures the cutting stones turning two weak groups into one strong group. Now I think invading my side and securing his top right corner are miai.
[go]$$Bcm80 B: 2 captures $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . X , O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . O . . O . O X . . . . | $$ | O X X O X . . O X X . . . O X . X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . X X . X O O X X O O O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X O . . . O X X X X X O . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O X . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Responding on the side is small. I want to make fill his moyo full of invasions. This move scoops out a lot of potential territory from black, and keeps my corner safe.
Also, are there error bars associated with this number?