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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:48 am
by Splatted
I'm actually relieved that he corrected that, which tells me I should have known better than to play it in the first place. I can't see any way of attacking the bottom group that is severe enough to justify my move because it's large enough that an attack on one part would just allow skydyr to fix the rest.
I think I'll probably secure something on top after we've played out the corner. Black can't be allowed to take all that so it makes sense to invade now while I can still make a reasonably comfortable group. (despite what I said eralier)
Joaz's correction still makes no sense to me...
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:39 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:14 pm
by skydyr
$$Bcm11 White has 3 prisoners
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 White has 3 prisoners
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:01 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:26 am
by Splatted
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:23 am
by opex
Black now also has three prisoners, doesn't he?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:56 am
by Splatted
Thanks Opex I've edited my post.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 9:30 am
by Dragon Pie
Approved.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:09 pm
by skydyr
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 9:56 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I hate gote moves. But after long searching, I can't find anything three points better, so I approve.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 7:18 am
by Uberdude
Why hate gote? Many excellent moves are gote.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:22 am
by Splatted
I'd be tempted to give you three points if you want to tenuki that move.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:12 pm
by Splatted
For some reason I didn't realise it was my turn.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21
The top because I want to keep black split, and K17 because it has room for a two space extension on either side.
Edit: In
our game last night I demonstrated to skydyr that I have no idea how to deal with an invasion around R8 so I definitely need to come up with something for that.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:48 am
by skydyr
Assuming this gets approved, here's my plan:
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$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
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$$ | . . O , 6 . . . . , . . . . 4 , O . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Not entirely sure about
and depending on white's responses 5 or 7 may be an invasion into the three space extensions.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #5
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:51 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
For observers:
skydyr wrote: Assuming this gets approved, here's my plan:
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$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . O . . 2 . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc ...
I'll approve 1 without hesitation.
I'm not sure that I like the proposed exchange of 3 for 4.
There are several bothersome things about it.
1) White has an easy invasion point at 'a'
2) The territory outlined is a bit open, as black has the kiema shimari, rather than 'b'.
3) white's right side territory can grow in sente with 'c', threatening 'd'.
4) Black is too weak on the lower right to attempt the attachment at 'e'.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcCompare this to the left side:
1) Playing 7 as shown below makes decent territory.
2) It makes 'f' more difficult for white
3) The attachment at 'g' now works, because black is safe in the corner.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc White may forstall a lot of this by playing at 'h'. Black hanes outside at 'i', of course.
So my inclination would be to handle the right side by playing at O6:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Now the F4/G4 exchange looks good for us.
The invasion at 'j' is not so good for white.
We can still play around 'k'.
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and depending on white's responses 5 or 7 may be an invasion into the three space extensions.