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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:21 pm
by ikkyu
FYI, I'm going to be out of town until Sunday evening/night. I'll probably be back Monday morning to play more questionable moves.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:17 pm
by quietimes
So, Not exactly what I expected however I can work with this. My guess is black was looking for a dual purpose with the last stone, to gain influence in the left side and top middle. I believe that I can make life in that little four stone group and reduce the black area. Doing this should keep me in sente (certainly enough incentive for black in stopping my reduction. What I need to do is keep up the moves until I can tenuki and build up my bottom right corner. If I can reduce with even with the smalles of two eyes, I think I can swing the balance of the game in my favour.
Having said that, I plan to enbark on H16, guessing he will occupy on the outside
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:19 am
by billywoods
ikkyu wrote: $$Bcm19
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm19As before, this seems the most reasonable move. I've been wanting to reduce/invade the bottom right for some time now. Methinks the time for this draws near. Unless qt connects at M8, this hane seems to create a fair amount of aji.
The bottom right is big - and wide open - but notice that making white play more moves in the centre weakens any invasion you make later on. Also, the top right and bottom left are big too. Why get into a messy invasion when you could just as easily prevent a big reduction? Some quick continuations make the difference in terms of claim on the corner clear:
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:30 am
by The Intrepid
I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter).
should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:53 pm
by billywoods
The Intrepid wrote:
I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter).
should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
$$Bc
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:35 pm
by quietimes
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:24 am
by ikkyu
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I thought long and hard about the following
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm29And ran through a bunch of scenarios which made it look like a good option. But then again, my judgement also got me to this point in the game, so maybe listening to it isn't the best course of action. I've left this area alone for some time because I felt confident that I could kill off this group if quietimes tried to make it live. Now I'm not so certain.
Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:02 pm
by quietimes
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:50 am
by ikkyu
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Thought about a few different responses but decided on a simple response.
Could someone please give me feedback for after the game on this possibility:
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:01 am
by quietimes
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:50 am
by ikkyu
Oops. Thought I had already posted this.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:01 pm
by quietimes
$$Bcm38
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:27 pm
by ikkyu
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:21 pm
by quietimes
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:41 pm
by ikkyu
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should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.