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#228 VincentCB vs Kirby

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Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:34 pm
by Loons
@cdybeijing
I couldn't tenuki this: White's group has no finished eyes yet, and black's move goes from overextending to an actual attack. My thought is to cut that last knight's move?

Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:01 pm
by VincentCB
Hope you had nice holidays too. Happy new year!

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[go]$$cm31 Black: 0 White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move more or less connects my group to the stone on the upper side. Next, black will probably exchange 'a' for 'b' and then play elsewhere, most probably around 'c'. I have the cut at 'd' left as a follow-up for later, which is quite big. All in all, I think I'm behind, but it doesn't look too bad.
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[go]$$cm31 Continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X a . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O b . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . d . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , c . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:35 pm
by cdybeijing
Loons wrote:@cdybeijing
I couldn't tenuki this: White's group has no finished eyes yet, and black's move goes from overextending to an actual attack. My thought is to cut that last knight's move?


I also would not have tenukied here, as I said I think a local exchange favors white. Cutting keima was my first thought, or f14. Pleasant for white either way.

Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:32 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$cm41 Black: 0 White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O 1 . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hard to describe my feeling with this move.

It's kind of risky, because I might hurt the top left corner stones. But it's just a move I want to play... Seems fun.

Maybe I've been playing on Tygem too much these days :o

Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:59 pm
by VincentCB
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[go]$$cm41 Black: 0 White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is getting messy :-? I'm not even sure if his move is good or bad... However, this move is just too tempting. According to circumstances, I might even sacrifice my group in order to grab sente if I get sufficient compensation at the top and in the corner. I must be careful about he continuation however :
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[go]$$cm41 White falls short
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 4 3 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black play :b43:, I can't answer with :w44:. I have no good answer to :b45: and white runs out of steam. I have to play like this :
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[go]$$cm41 Offering a swap
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 O X . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 3 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Other possible variations:
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[go]$$cm41 Squeeze
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 2 . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X 5 O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 4 6 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm41 Good profit for white
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . O . . . O X , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 3 4 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I might have overlooked something important, and there's a possibility I will lose this fight terribly hard, but I don't care. I find close quarter fights like this the most enjoyable part of the game, even though I'm not particularly good at it. Win or lose, if I can get a good fight, I'm happy :twisted:

Re: #228 VincentCB vs Kirby

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:22 am
by VincentCB
A quick post to wrap this up :

I have somehow completely missed Kirby's final post, and meanwhile I had half-forgotten about this game. Since my opponent left, I call this game over. I just wanted to thank my opponent for the game, and thank everyone who watched/commented :bow: .
I guess that means I can read the comments now... :batman:
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