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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:48 pm
by shapenaji
Not Approved, I'm switching it back to Chew Terr's
$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
Well, I'd love to unhide this and respond to Joaz directly, but I see absolutely no problem with this variation:
$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 34A - W: 15, B: 15
if we go with Joaz's move, I just see really ugly cut aji in our future.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:59 am
by Gresil
$$Bc Move 35A - W: 15, B: 15
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As per my comments in the message preceding move 33a.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:22 am
by topazg
Not approved
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:49 am
by Magicwand
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:38 am
by Chew Terr
My thoughts on this game, first thing in the morning
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:20 am
by Joaz Banbeck
shapenaji wrote: Not Approved, I'm switching it back to Chew Terr's
Chew Terr wrote: Once our group is out (which seems imminent, for the moment at least) ...
Well...we seem to have a serious misunderstanding someplace.
One of the following seems to be true:
1) I mis-read and we can get out.
2) Both of my teammates mis-read and we can't get out.
3) They read correctly, we can't get out, and they are ok with that.
4) One teammate is #2 and the other is #3.
I'm currently of the opinion that it it is essential for us to get out, and that we can't do it with this move. It therefore follows that I think that black's best move is F15, and I will be very happy if Violence does not choose it.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:34 pm
by Violence
This next move, I have to read a lot of stuff for. I simply don't have the time for it right now. I just graduated, and I'm flying back in the morning, so I have to spend my remaining hours packing. I'll have my decision in a few days.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:06 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Violence wrote: ...I just graduated ...
Congratulations! Where from? What degree?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:16 pm
by dfan
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:44 am
by Violence
Case Western Reserve University, Bachelors of Science and Engineering in Biomedical Engineering: Systems and Control Focus.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:23 pm
by Violence
Not approved.
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 18, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 18, B: 15
I think it's clear why I can't let this move go.
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
It's because I feel this fight is very bad for black, and our heavy group comes under attack. Removing the liability of this group is our biggest concern.
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
This move seems key at first glance, but much reading is necessary to support it. I don't think white can resist this move without getting an unsatisfactory result. The outcome I predict is the following sequence:
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 17, B: 15
And then white will approach the upper right corner at A. This is fine for us because we gained territory, have thickness in the center, exploitable aji on the left, and there is still play on the top. I feel that black is still playable, and in fact, comfortable here.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:49 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Joaz Banbeck wrote: ... I think that black's best move is F15, and I will be very happy if Violence does not choose it.
Violence wrote: Not approved.
$$Bc Move 35B - W: 18, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 35B - W: 18, B: 15
I'm not happy. I do hope that Shapenaji has some clever tactical trick up his sleve, because our position looks strategically inferior to me.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:12 am
by Chew Terr
Okay, I've been looking at this for a bit. Violence, you are scary. That move is intimidating. Also, congratulations on graduating!
$$Bc Move 36A - W: 18, B: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 36A - W: 18, B: 15
Heh, being part of an open Malkovich game confused me. I almost forgot to hide my comments here. =D
Okay, so we have options here. The most obvious response, G16, will be cut.
$$Bc If I try to kill the cutting stone and connect, we die.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc If I try to kill the cutting stone and connect, we die.
E18 looks at a glance like we might make a ko, but I feel like that would go against us, even if there is a ko.
$$Bc However, if we force the cutting stone out, we live small.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc However, if we force the cutting stone out, we live small.
I'm not big on this because it gives black a lot to work with at the top, and cuts off our stone to float in the middle.
Well, when the normal things are unsatisfying, consider the weird stuff. Let's consider the plan that I'm tentatively calling 'Those stones are ugly, and I don't like them anyways'.
$$Bc Wow, this is actually really tempting...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Wow, this is actually really tempting...
It exchanges five weak stones for one stable group. It gives more strength to two black groups, but one is alive and the other is strong already. Ah, but I think the flaw in my plan is that black wouldn't respond with 1 (because this diagram looks so okay for us).
$$Bc After something like this, we can extend from the wall to attack the corner
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc After something like this, we can extend from the wall to attack the corner$$Bc The prior diagram is probably better, as it looks similar but has more ko threats and such.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc The prior diagram is probably better, as it looks similar but has more ko threats and such.
In conclusion
Well, topazg, your point looked shiny and critical. I think I want it, if Violence doesn't.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:21 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Chew Terr wrote: ...when the normal things are unsatisfying, consider the weird stuff. Let's consider the plan that I'm tentatively calling 'Those stones are ugly, and I don't like them anyways'.
I think that I have just encountered the Hunter S. Thompson school of go.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:37 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I do not approve.
$$Bc Move 36A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 36A - W: 18, B: 17
I don't know what Shapenaji has in mind here, so I'm playing this on faith. Either he wants to live solidly but small up top and engage in a running battle with the fragments, or he wants to sacrifice the upper group and leave black overconcentrated in gote. Conveniently, I don't have to choose between those two right now; they are completely different strategies but the first move of each is the same.
If we want to live up top, it has to be done like this:
$$Wc
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If we want to sacrifice, it should be done like this:
$$Wc
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Note that we do not play 'a' anywhere in this sequence, for the stone that it captures is a goner anyway. After 3 and 5, that black stone is too close to our newly built strength, and it is not worthwhile for black to try to save it. So by the logic of tewari analysis, if we don't need move #7 at 'a', we don't need move #1 there either.
When all is said and done, the first move is the same.
