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106. kirby vs topazg

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Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:12 am
by Joaz Banbeck
mw42 wrote:
... I'm not sure I see the gold he does there...
I don't see it either. If Topaxg attacks in the lower left - which is thin, but not really vulnerable, IMHO - he just makes white thicker there. As he realizes, this does not look good for his middle left group. Yet he is currently playing a joseki in the upper left which will make white strong up there too. This does not look good for black's middle left group.
I think Topazg's left hand should have a serious talk with his right hand.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:14 am
by mw42
hman wrote: If I read this correctly you are saying (and I agree) you must use what I'd call your intuition, which is not exactly what I'd call emotions... at least in may native languages. Since English is kinda tricky for this stuff maybe the specific flavor of emotion vs. intuition isn't the same?
Intuition concerns knowledge of a situation whereas emotion concerns your state of being.

EDIT: Removed hide tags. I think it's okay if the players read this. ;-)

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:19 am
by Kirby
mw42 wrote:
hman wrote: If I read this correctly you are saying (and I agree) you must use what I'd call your intuition, which is not exactly what I'd call emotions... at least in may native languages. Since English is kinda tricky for this stuff maybe the specific flavor of emotion vs. intuition isn't the same?
Intuition concerns knowledge of a situation whereas emotion concerns your state of being.

EDIT: Removed hide tags. I think it's okay if the players read this. ;-)
Thanks. Less curiosity is always better.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:19 am
by Joaz Banbeck
topazg wrote:...
I've been going forwards and backwards between the shoulder hit and the invasion for a few minutes.
@Topazg:
Shoulder hit? You mean at J16? If so, why did you reject it?

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:49 am
by topazg
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
topazg wrote:...
I've been going forwards and backwards between the shoulder hit and the invasion for a few minutes.
@Topazg:
Shoulder hit? You mean at J16? If so, why did you reject it?
Because the shoulder hit will be gote, and I hope I can get both. If I can find a way for sente from here that is :)

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:53 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Hmmm, I may lose sente here, but I may not, there's some danger for White now:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Of course, it's a tight line, but I think Black wins liberty races here. If White picks a sente option, I get connection aji for later:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:58 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think that this is the only move for white.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:12 am
by Magicwand
@ kirby

i love your sig.
if you learn that then you will be 5 dan strong.

remember that you will find that when they expose their weakness.
and you will lose that when you expose yours.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:13 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I live with connection under aji. That's good enough to take gote I suppose. At least his position on the top is 3rd line, so reduction to some degree will be relatively possible. Lots of points I want right now!

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:23 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To obs:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe Kirby should let him connect...

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:28 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
i like white's position below.
black's 3-3 invasion is premature IMO.
white is solid everywhere and black group on left side is a weakness that will cause problem for black later.
white need to play 'a' soon as he has a chance. then he will save one stone in sente and it is a big move for both black and white. maybe he should not play that :W42: or black should lose that hanne and go there first?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 6 . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . b . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:50 am
by mw42
Joaz Banbeck wrote:To obs:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe Kirby should let him connect...
I don't think so Joaz B39 is quite big and after W40 the game looks about even since it is black's move and black has no weak groups.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:57 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I must split black, because the benefit to me is so great. It is hard to calculate the point value of this move, but it keeps black's group on the left weak. When black's group is weak, I can more easily make future points.

Also, I wonder if there is something that I can do against the corner in the top left... :)

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:11 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 9 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ok, let's throw caution to the wind about the left hand group for now, and take this point because it's huge. I may come under a splitting attack, so I'm going to have to play with a bit of care ... but, I think, so is he, so that's ok.

Re: 106. kirby vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:56 am
by Kirby
Locally, his move is annoying. Globally, it seems like he is giving me a chance to fight back. How can I grab the "flow"?
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