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#147 Marcus vs 1986

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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:25 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . O O . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . O . |
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$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:batman:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:58 pm
by 1986
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O O . . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
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after thinking about it why not cut on this side and start a violent attack on the 3 heavy stones, yeah the other side is safer and cutting on that side makes life easier, but this is handicap so kill the sensei's stones
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
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he might play this way to run out but i don't think its to profitable
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . O O . . . . 6 7 9 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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this is ok for him then he can counter attack my left group but we will see what happens

:study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:17 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 8 O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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Well, this should be interesting. Black can make a fight of it by defending his G3 group, but I'm still pretty comfortable. The scariest part of this fight for White is the weak J group.

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:56 am
by 1986
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . 9 X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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i would like to nobi with my cutting stone just to take away the option from him but now its time to defend, i can't leave him a sente move like G4, so now i got 4 liberties instead of 2, and im thinking he will probably run with his weak group
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 1 O X 3 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . 2 X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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I didn't expect him to defend like that and his move it attacks at the same time

Very interesting to say the least, its very solid & poweful yet looks so simple

my initial thought is why, lets take a look
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b c . e . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . f . O O X a . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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he dosen't have time to attack my group on the left, like white (f)
if he runs then one group will suffer but its managable, i invision something like a-f
or either just attacking the 3 heavy stones, either direction is ok because I have something to attack to so my group can thrive

:study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:34 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Show me your eyes!

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:39 am
by 1986
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is trying to build liberties for that weak heavy group, oh well at least i get to take his sente running move of the atari away, i would have played that first, then come back to make more liberties because i think its something like run before living according to the go of shygost & i just rather have sente :study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:26 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still want to see him live. He's losing a lot of eye space.

I've done a lot of reading for this particular fight. I'm pretty sure I'm safe ... however, there's always the possibility, especially in a complicated fight like this, that I've missed a line, either because I dismissed it as something I shouldn't have to worry about (a bad habit, I know) or something I missed completely (I have numerous blind spots ... something I need to work on).

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:15 pm
by 1986
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O 3 . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my thought process
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O 3 5 . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . 8 X 4 2 7 O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my first thought was the knights move of (a), but i wanted to play more directly with the hane on the head of two stones, besides (a) lets him link up to easy
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O 4 . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 O . . 6 7 . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 8 . 0 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
and i dont like my follow up move to attack his heavy grup which im pretty sure i can kill, im still working on it but so far it would be very hard for white to live

:study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:34 am
by hyperpape
The $64000 question is what you're reading after :w69:.
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O 3 5 0 O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . 8 X 4 2 7 O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:42 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X 4 O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ah, liberties ... I'm not exactly sure how close this fight will be, but it's not going to be easy for him, that's for sure. However, I have to trust in my reading. I've now read a huge number of different lines, and I'm pretty sure I haven't missed anything, but let's see if he finds anything I missed.

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:59 pm
by 1986
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i should play here first, it leaves this
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 7 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . 6 X . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think its pretty clever, but its kyu-ish, like my last variation in my previous post :blackeye: i found some holes in it too
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X 5 . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . 8 X 4 O 7 O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . . c . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
moves like a,b & c can allow white to live easily, and make this game more complicated, which is what white wants to accomplish in handi games, black's job is to keep it simple and attack attack attack!

im trying to do more variations to help with my reading and he always hits me with a suprise

im thinking about this one too, it is good for me IMO
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X 4 O 8 O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X 7 . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . 5 . 9 . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if i were him i would play this way but maybe he has something even better planned.

This is a great way to learn :study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:54 am
by Marcus
I responded to 1986 in PM, but for observers:

Life got busy, will post soon (just not today).

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:31 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The fight continues ... watching for critical points.

I know, I'm not saying much about this fight. The truth is I've tried a couple times and failed to write anything near a good enough explanation of what kind of reading I'm doing in this fight.

The fight has become an all-or-nothing reading battle. Each move, I'm looking at 3-5 candidate moves I look for critical shape points and check for sequences that use those critical points (like E2).

There are so many different lines, many with similar shapes. I just don't know where to start describing. :D

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:35 am
by 1986
Good 2 have u back, now back to business
:rambo:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X 7 . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i talked about this move in my previous post :study:
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 O X O a . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X 7 . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 9 b c O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
that's life,
the question is how is he going to play after that
my guess is for F2 White (b), i would play G2 (c) if he does
besides that im working out (a) as a potential play for my next move
here are my thoughts on (a) so far
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[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 O X O 9 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O 6 X 7 0 X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X c a X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . d X b e . g O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
a-g = moves # 70-77
i think i could do better
a-g is not good for black & every move counts so i think i will sleep on it
:study:

Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:58 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X . X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
We're coming to the crux of this fight. What will the r sult be?

In actual fact, I thought this fight would turn out much bigger. As it's turning out, the conclusion of this game may not hinge upon the result of this fight ...

What result do I read? Well, I think I have a decent response to whatever he decides to play ... but I need to react to his plays for now. Check back next move, It's likely to be a very important move in the fight!
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