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Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:31 pm

by Shoreline

I wonder if the java version or OS made the difference. I am using a linux machine,
dual core, 8G of memory, quite low end machine. The java verison I am using is:
$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_45"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_45-b18)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.45-b08, mixed mode)

I would say in my setting, the Orego version 7.08 is probably more than 9 stones weaker than gnugo, it probably ranks below 20 kyu in DGS.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:58 pm

by Cyan

Here are estimates of goratings elo of different bots (from various sources and also my own testing). GPU is assumed to be high-end (e.g. 1080 Ti). Good to put things into perspective.

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AlphaGo       ~4800 elo
Ke Jie        ~3700 elo
DeepZenGo     ~3600 elo
Average pro   =3000 elo
Ray GPU       ~2700 elo
Leela GPU     ~2500 elo
Hira GPU      ~2300 elo
Leela         ~2100 elo
Zen 6         ~2100 elo
Hira          ~1900 elo
DarkGo        ~1600 elo
Pachi         ~1300 elo
1k player     ~1000 elo

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:11 am

by as0770

Shoreline wrote:I wonder if the java version or OS made the difference. I am using a linux machine,
dual core, 8G of memory, quite low end machine. The java verison I am using is:
$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_45"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_45-b18)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.45-b08, mixed mode)

I would say in my setting, the Orego version 7.08 is probably more than 9 stones weaker than gnugo, it probably ranks below 20 kyu in DGS.

This is my Java version:

java -version
openjdk version "1.8.0_131"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_131-8u131-b11-2ubuntu1.16.04.3-b11)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.131-b11, mixed mode)

Does Orego use all the available time? Maybe you use a time setting that Orego doesn't support and it moves faster.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:19 am

by Shoreline

as0770 wrote:
Shoreline wrote:I wonder if the java version or OS made the difference. I am using a linux machine,
dual core, 8G of memory, quite low end machine. The java verison I am using is:
$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_45"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_45-b18)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.45-b08, mixed mode)

I would say in my setting, the Orego version 7.08 is probably more than 9 stones weaker than gnugo, it probably ranks below 20 kyu in DGS.
This is my Java version:

java -version
openjdk version "1.8.0_131"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_131-8u131-b11-2ubuntu1.16.04.3-b11)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.131-b11, mixed mode)

Does Orego use all the available time? Maybe you use a time setting that Orego doesn't support and it moves faster.

Ｔhe Orego in my machine moves bleedingly fast, may be 1 second per move. It can play 5 or 10 different games within 10 seconds.

How can I change the time setting in GTP command? Maybe that is the issue.

Checked GTP manual and list_commands of Orego, found 2 commands is related "time_settings" "time_left". Not sure how to use them in games.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:31 am

by as0770

Shoreline wrote:
as0770 wrote:
Shoreline wrote:I wonder if the java version or OS made the difference. I am using a linux machine,
dual core, 8G of memory, quite low end machine. The java verison I am using is:
$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_45"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_45-b18)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.45-b08, mixed mode)

I would say in my setting, the Orego version 7.08 is probably more than 9 stones weaker than gnugo, it probably ranks below 20 kyu in DGS.
This is my Java version:

java -version
openjdk version "1.8.0_131"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_131-8u131-b11-2ubuntu1.16.04.3-b11)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.131-b11, mixed mode)

Does Orego use all the available time? Maybe you use a time setting that Orego doesn't support and it moves faster.
Ｔhe Orego in my machine moves bleedingly fast, may be 1 second per move. It can play 5 or 10 different games within 10 seconds.

How can I change the time setting in GTP command? Maybe that is the issue.

I use game in x for my testing because this works with most engines. The gtp command is:

time_settings 3600 0 0

for a game in 60 minutes. But Orego uses some more time as allowed.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:53 am

by Shoreline

as0770 wrote:
I use game in x for my testing because this works with most engines. The gtp command is:

time_settings 3600 0 0

for a game in 60 minutes. But Orego uses some more time as allowed.

THanks for the information. I think you nailed the issue already correctly. I tried your setting and found Orego runs
about 40 seconds per move and it is much stronger player. Now I settled down to
time_settings 600 60 0 roughly at 10 to 20 seconds per move in my machine.

Here is the DGS bot "oregobot" with same setting:

http://www.dragongoserver.net/ratinggraph.php?uid=99178

We will see how strong this bot can be. My internal testing says that this bot should at least get teen kyu level.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:45 pm

by as0770

Update League B with Pachi DCNN, DarkGo and Ray 9.0.1

League A:

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    1. Leela 0.10.0                 22/24
    2. Rayon 4.6.0                  19/24
    3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06          18/24
    4. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU)         9/24
    5. DarkForest v2 MCTS 1.0        7/24
    6  DarkGo 1.0                    5/24
    7. Pachi DCNN 11.99              4/24

Configuration:

League B:

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    1. DarkGo 1.0                   29/32
    2. Pachi DCNN 11.99             27/32
    3. Ray 9.0.1                    25/32
    4. MoGo 4.86                    19/32
    5. deltaGo 1.0.0                16/32
    6. Fuego 1.1                    13/32
    7. Michi C-2 1.4.2               8/32
    8. Orego 7.08                    5/32
    9. GNU Go 3.8                    2/32

Configuration:

League C:

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    1. GNU Go 3.8                   24/28
    2. Hara 0.9                     18/28
    3. Dariush 3.1.5.7              16/28
    4. Indigo 2009                  15/28
    5. Matilda 1.24                 15/28
    6. Aya 6.34                     11/28
    7. Fudo Go 3.0                  11/28
    8. JrefBot 081016-2022           2/28

Configuration:

League D:

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    1. JrefBot 081016-2022          25/28
    2. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2            21/28
    3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13       19/28
    4. Marcos Go 1.0                18/28
    5. AmiGo 1.8                    16/28
    6. Stop 0.9-005                  6/28
    7. CopyBot 0.1                   4/28
    8. Brown 1.0                     3/28

Configuration:

Links:

Best,
Alex

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:18 pm

by anpd

Is there a version of Pachi with neural networks available for Windows somewhere? Do you use patterns with that build?

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:07 am

by q30

Cyan wrote:Please add DarkGo! It's a neural network at around 1d level.
https://pjreddie.com/darknet/darkgo-go-in-darknet/
How to run in GTP: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... BNZTkMmUHI

I had downloaded DarkGo.
I had downloaded also CUDA. Unfortunately CUDA requires NVIDIA driver v.375 or higher, but v.375 driver tells, that with my video card can work drivers v.340 or lower (card has 32 CUDA cores and 256 MB memory)...
I had downloaded also go.train and go.weights. And there is a lot of cfg files, but it isn't any description. Can anybody tell me, how is it possible to run darknet in gtp mode with maximum strong (including pondering, neural network), using 2 CPU cores, up to 8 GB memory and up to 2 min / move time?

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:46 pm

by as0770

Unfortunately AQ can't play my tournament because of some issues: AQ always ponders and it uses the GPU very effectively so that other engines get less GPU power. Beside that Rayon and Oakfoam don't work together with AQ because of a cuda memory error. It was possible to set up a match between Leela and AQ with ponder on for both engines where Leela reaches around 35% of it's playouts with full power. So I gave AQ 2h/game and Leela 4h/game. Still I can't control what is happening on the GPU during the games, but I think the conditions are as fair as possible. BTW DarkGo was able to win one of four games against AQ during my tests.

Update with the next Leela version will follow

Leela vs. AQ

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    1. AQ 2.0.2                      5/8
    2. Leela 0.10.0                  3/8

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League A:

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    1. Leela 0.10.0                 22/24
    2. Rayon 4.6.0                  19/24
    3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06          18/24
    4. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU)         9/24
    5. DarkForest v2 MCTS 1.0        7/24
    6  DarkGo 1.0                    5/24
    7. Pachi DCNN 11.99              4/24

Configuration:

League B:

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    1. Pachi DCNN 11.99             25/28
    2. Ray 9.0.1                    25/28
    3. MoGo 4.86                    18/28
    4. deltaGo 1.0.0                16/28
    5. Fuego 1.1                    13/28
    6. Michi C-2 1.4.2               8/28
    7. Orego 7.08                    5/28
    8. GNU Go 3.8                    2/28

Configuration:

League C:

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    1. GNU Go 3.8                   24/28
    2. Hara 0.9                     18/28
    3. Dariush 3.1.5.7              16/28
    4. Indigo 2009                  15/28
    5. Matilda 1.24                 15/28
    6. Aya 6.34                     11/28
    7. Fudo Go 3.0                  11/28
    8. JrefBot 081016-2022           2/28

Configuration:

League D:

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    1. JrefBot 081016-2022          25/28
    2. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2            21/28
    3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13       19/28
    4. Marcos Go 1.0                18/28
    5. AmiGo 1.8                    16/28
    6. Stop 0.9-005                  6/28
    7. CopyBot 0.1                   4/28
    8. Brown 1.0                     3/28

Configuration:

Links:

Best,
Alex

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:53 pm

by aTan

When you are planning to include latest versions of leela and Ray?

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:09 am

by as0770

aTan wrote:When you are planning to include latest versions of leela and Ray?

I'll add Leela with the official release, unfortunately I am still not able to compile the latest version Rayon...

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:44 am

by q30

I had downloaded CUDA older version and NVIDIA driver v.340. But while executing command "./darknet go test cfg/go.test.cfg go.weights" I get error: "CUDA Error: invalid device function"...
And what about how is it possible to run darknet in gtp mode with maximum strong (including pondering, neural network), using 2 CPU cores, up to 8 GB memory and up to 2 min / move time?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:34 am

by Hane

New version of AQ released !!
https://github.com/ymgaq/AQ/releases

Re: Engine Tournament

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:21 am

by as0770

AQ 2.0.3 can now play with ponder off, so I set up a match against Leela 0.11.0 Beta 11.

Leela vs. AQ

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    1. AQ 2.0.3                     12/16
    2. Leela 0.11.0 Beta 11          4/16

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League A:

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    1. Leela 0.10.0                 22/24
    2. Rayon 4.6.0                  19/24
    3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06          18/24
    4. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU)         9/24
    5. DarkForest v2 MCTS 1.0        7/24
    6  DarkGo 1.0                    5/24
    7. Pachi DCNN 11.99              4/24

Configuration:

League B:

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    1. Pachi DCNN 11.99             25/28
    2. Ray 9.0.1                    25/28
    3. MoGo 4.86                    18/28
    4. deltaGo 1.0.0                16/28
    5. Fuego 1.1                    13/28
    6. Michi C-2 1.4.2               8/28
    7. Orego 7.08                    5/28
    8. GNU Go 3.8                    2/28

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League C:

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    1. GNU Go 3.8                   24/28
    2. Hara 0.9                     18/28
    3. Dariush 3.1.5.7              16/28
    4. Indigo 2009                  15/28
    5. Matilda 1.24                 15/28
    6. Aya 6.34                     11/28
    7. Fudo Go 3.0                  11/28
    8. JrefBot 081016-2022           2/28

Configuration:

League D:

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    1. JrefBot 081016-2022          25/28
    2. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2            21/28
    3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13       19/28
    4. Marcos Go 1.0                18/28
    5. AmiGo 1.8                    16/28
    6. Stop 0.9-005                  6/28
    7. CopyBot 0.1                   4/28
    8. Brown 1.0                     3/28

Configuration:

Links:

Best,
Alex[/quote]