#267 rlaalswo v. fevobod152

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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This tesuji seems to work, since Black neglected to play O6 beforehand. Not sure what Black's plan is.
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O . W . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I just have to be careful of some of the fighting after this...
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X 0 . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O 9 O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . 1 X 2 X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . 3 O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

For example, if Black tries to live with T3, White can play to take the corner with S3. However, after Black plays R11, an unfavorable ko appears when cutting with Q11...
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O 6 5 . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O 0 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O 9 . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X 3 |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X 4 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$m11 Cont. 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O O 2 |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O X 1 |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Therefore, if White still wants to take the corner, then blocking Black R11 with S11 is necessary. However, after Black continues with Q11, White S12, this gives P9 more liberties, making the push and cut at M12, M11, L11 more effective (see below). Meaning that White may simply want to let the corner live and try to get a big and more solid center (which I think would be easy to do in this position).
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[go]$$Wc Black's cut after White S11.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O 4 O X X O . 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . 6 5 O O O 2 B 1 . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Since I have not been playing this game out on a board, I have to be careful about missing a special tesuji or myoshu, especially if my opponent is, and choosing strategies and variations that lead to fairly simple or straightforward outcomes.
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O B O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X W . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O . B . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O W X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . B X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:2 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X W X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As previously expected so far.
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[go]$$c B:3 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . B . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$c B:3 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
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$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: #267 rlaalswo v. fevobod152

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for observers
hi sorry to bother everyone. but what go level is this commentary aimed at and what level are these players? thanks!
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Re: #267 rlaalswo v. fevobod152

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Allen wrote:for observers
hi sorry to bother everyone. but what go level is this commentary aimed at and what level are these players? thanks!

They're "mid-dan", and they're thinking out loud, so I guess the commentary is chiefly aimed at players of their level or a little weaker (they don't spell things out that a dan player would easily understand).

I personally much prefer this kind of commentary to the intentionally didactic kind, which is often overwhelming to the people at which it is aimed.

If you have questions about things that are being glossed over, you are encouraged to ask them in hide tags, and either direct them at observers or at the players (if you're 10k, you probably don't have to worry about accidentally giving them ideas!).
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Re: #267 rlaalswo v. fevobod152

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$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: #267 rlaalswo v. fevobod152

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Generally, you should connect more solidly in an area either where liberties are an issue or you're trying to surround that has weak points. If I play for a little extra here, it could be disastrous...
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$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 2 1 5 O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 9 O X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . . X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O . |
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[go]$$Wm11 B:3 W:0 Cont. 1
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$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O O X . . . X O X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O . . . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . O . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . O O O O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . O . . . . . . O X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . O , . 1 X X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . X . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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