Life In 19x19

Life in 19x19. Go, Weiqi, Baduk... Thats the life.
https://lifein19x19.com/

24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?t=199

Page 7 of 8

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:56 am
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a B O O X . . W , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | d c X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move clears the fog up dramatically and allows me to see what White's intention is. His last move is very menacing and pressures my bottom group, squeezing away eyespace potential on the right side of the corner group. I want to know whether he aims to go for the kill (which means he will play 'a') or if he simply aims for profit and leave the option for me to live (which means he will play 'b', since 'c' would then be sente and give me time to play 'd', the crucial move that gives me two eyes). White 'c' is not a threat if I respond with 'b'.

How he responds will also give me guidance in how I should try to exploit the faulty connection between the two marked White stones ( :wc: ). While dying is a hazard, I don't want to suffer the second worst fate either: living sealed.

When I hit move 40, I will go over this move I made more extensively because I'm certain many will claim it is some sort of outrageous aji keshi when it is not. I can only hope that if stronger players are watching this game, that they will stand by my side and reassure other observers who may question this move that it is fine...hopefully. Then again, it's nearly 3:00am here and I lost a lot of money in a poker game, so maybe I'm on tilt and being delusional :D.

40/80

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:02 am
by Violence
I do think that Mr. Price will indeed play either a or b in Solch's analysis.

But of course, being Violence, I would play c.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Rawr.

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:04 pm
by Tabemasu
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move is just a probe to test what I'll do, seems fine. I added all the important variations below.

If he tries to pull his stone out, it's a simple loose ladder.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I had played the marked stone instead, then black can just live at 1.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And finally, I really wanted to play this way, but it leaves this aji here which is awful. If I play at 4 then I end up with a ko, or...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 5 X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 W X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play 4 here instead, then he has the attachment at 7, and I fall apart.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:45 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Warning, geeky and possibly bad analogy ahead: If anyone ever watched the anime "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann", I feel like Kamina and Simon right now. You know, in the first episode where they try to dig out of their underground village and see the surface world? Right now the center is the surface world, and I need to find a way to dig out to prevent getting sealed into the corner. Of course, this comes with quite some risk - if I do try to break out and fail, White will likely gain magnificent thickness and I'll still be sealed in. There's no doubt White will gain profit from what's about to happen, I just need to make sure it's constrained to a minimum. Perhaps the price to play the wedge was too high? We'll see.

I think the move I played is the best way I can try to poke my head out into the outside world. It's certainly the safest because it holds hands with F4 through the risky journey to the outside, but this comes at the cost of being the slowest move. I've considered moves like G6 or H5 but found them to be problematic because they can get cut off from F4 so easily. I also considered wussing out and playing G2 but that's just too dreadful.

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:48 pm
by Violence
Solch:

Don't believe in yourself.

Believe in me, who believes in you!

Yours is a kosumi that pierces the heavens!

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:51 pm
by Tabemasu
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 38
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kind of surprised he didn't play the tigers mouth, might as well take this for free.

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:25 pm
by Magicwand
i am surprised at sol missing such simple sequence..1,2,3,4
that exchange will open escape path 5 as below..
i guess everyone has their moment.. like magicwand once having tenuki moment :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:22 pm
by ethanb
Magicwand wrote:
i am surprised at sol missing such simple sequence..1,2,3,4
that exchange will open escape path 5 as below..
i guess everyone has their moment.. like magicwand once having tenuki moment :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 7 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X 6 0 O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It lives, but at the price of completing white's thickness with little/no aji.

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:26 pm
by Magicwand
ethanb wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i am surprised at sol missing such simple sequence..1,2,3,4
that exchange will open escape path 5 as below..
i guess everyone has their moment.. like magicwand once having tenuki moment :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 7 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X 6 0 O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It lives, but at the price of completing white's thickness with little/no aji.

my bad!!
i didnt spell it out for you.
A and B so white can not cut.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 9 b . 7 8 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X 6 . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:49 pm
by ethanb
Magicwand wrote:
ethanb wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i am surprised at sol missing such simple sequence..1,2,3,4
that exchange will open escape path 5 as below..
i guess everyone has their moment.. like magicwand once having tenuki moment :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 7 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X 6 0 O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It lives, but at the price of completing white's thickness with little/no aji.

my bad!!
i didnt spell it out for you.
A and B so white can not cut.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 9 b . 7 8 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X 6 . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X X X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ack! No, not your bad - MY bad. I really should have seen that.

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:49 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 39
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There is not much to think here, I need to move outside right? Any other move will just disconnect the move I made from my group. From what I can see, loose getas won't work...but even if they work, such a move is inevitable nonetheless since it's my only way out. It's a do-or-die sort of situation.

40/80

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:53 pm
by cyclops
Another stupid question @MagicWand. I'm only 7 kyu, so please be soft on me.
To me it seems that even after your keima wG6 forces bG5 so what is the difference with the game. Your two black forcing moves at the bottom maybe?

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:46 pm
by Magicwand
cyclops wrote:Another stupid question @MagicWand. I'm only 7 kyu, so please be soft on me.
To me it seems that even after your keima wG6 forces bG5 so what is the difference with the game. Your two black forcing moves at the bottom maybe?


i am very gentle on beginners.. i only hate dan level players who think they know everything :)
two forcing move at bottom is a perfect timing to excute. white is forced to go after the black and leave little more aji outside.
now black has to run and...i am not sure what the best way to run..but i think my move is better than what he played..(i might be wrong). i didnt really read on what will happen but his move seems awfully slow. it is just a feeling i get looking at his move..

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:53 am
by Harleqin
Magicwand wrote:I only hate dan level players who think they know everything. :)


So, you hate yourself? :cool:

Re: 24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:36 am
by Tabemasu
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . W X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
All times are UTC-07:00
Page 7 of 8

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited