Life In 19x19

Life in 19x19. Go, Weiqi, Baduk... Thats the life.
https://lifein19x19.com/

#76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?t=2027

Page 7 of 8

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:56 pm
by CSamurai
Numsgil wrote:I think your move numbers got confused. Or maybe you don't like the numbers 82-89.


That's my fault. I changed the number to 81 in my last diagram, but forgot to change the 0 to O. Fixing in my next diagram.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . 3 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I need to respond to this move by white. My group has eyespace, and a strong area to run to. White's group is still shakey on eyes. I do, on the other hand, need a move up top to keep some aji from being capatleized on, and greatly reducing my profit. Let's do a quick count.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . C C C C C C C . . . . . T T T T T T |
$$ | . O O . C C C C . . . . . T T T T T T |
$$ | . X X O . C C C . O . X T O T X T T T |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . X T T T X T T T |
$$ | T T . X . . . . . O . . X . X X T T T |
$$ | T T . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | C C . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O C C C |
$$ | T X X X . X . . . . . X . O C C C C C |
$$ | T T T T T T T T T T T . . . C C C C C |
$$ | T T T T T T T T T T T . . . C C C C C |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It looks to me like white is about 20 points behind, if I keep my left side alive. So, keeping that in mind, from now on, the goal for white should be, Kill the left, and the goal for me should be, keep it alive. I don't see any easy way for white to kill, so that's why I feel like solidifying the top is a good move at this point.

Let's see if I'm terribly wrong.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:58 pm
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He went for that a little sooner than I expected. No big, I think it's a bit slow right now with the seriousness of the other fights going on. And I still have big endgame at L18.

This turn is big for me to defend my group and it's sente because it threatens to enclose his right side group, which would be a bummer for him. It might give me potential to make something in the center later too. Aiming at E11 or something similar to enclose (or threaten to enclose) next.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:03 pm
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . 5 . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This was the accepted risk of ignoring white's move. But remember, I don't have to make a profit out of these stones, just keep them alive. It looks like I'll be doing that fairly easily. So, unless my counting is way off, white needs to make 20 in the center, or somehow reduce the bottom by a huge amount. It's my job to keep those things from happening.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:15 pm
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X 6 . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sente feels so good! This threatens to seal in, and it's dangerous for him to push and cut because he'll be kinda short on liberties.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:22 pm
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 7 . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White is attempting to make territory out of the center. I think I can still disrupt and minimize this territory, both from below and above. First order of business is to poke out into the center from this group, to ensure that it doesn't get sealed in and in danger of dying. Losing this group would be as bad as losing the one on the left.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:42 am
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , 8 O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Don't know how I missed that. It's kinda annoying because of the J16 stone; I really owe a move there to neutralize that, but I hate spending two moves to respond to that one stone. I really want to hane directly here, but I'm too thin. If I just fall back at G16, I'm in trouble if he plays J15.

But I can do this first, although it unfortunately strengthens black. If he responds with some sort of connection, I can hane afterwards... Hopefully.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:55 am
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 9 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is really the only available move. To play elsewhere negates my last play.

This way keeps me out in the center, and we'll see what white does next.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:43 am
by fwiffo
The next move is gonna require a little time.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X a b c O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I need to play one of these three moves; gotta figure out which works best.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:31 pm
by CSamurai
Take your time. :)

Even though I feel comfortable in my group's life, let's take a look at some things that I think about when I am waiting for other people to move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 9 O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 8 X X X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 6 . . a . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X 2 O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . 3 X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


An agressive push on white's part reduces my eyespace, but after white defends, a move at A is enough to ensure my connection. Are there any tesuji that can attack my group more severely?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 4 5 . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . 7 X 3 O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black is ahead on liberties here.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O a . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Due to the weaknesses at A, black can afford to ignore most peeps on the apparant weak point of its group. White needs to defend these cuts to keep black from gaining undue advantage in the area.

White is unlikely to force black into making that wekness manifest.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . 4 X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . 5 6 X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . 7 O 0 . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The sequence through black at A is very bad for white.

I don't think there's a good play for white to strongly attack this group. So let's look at some of the things that white might do instead..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 9 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . b . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . a . . . X . c . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Moves at A and B are what I'd expect. White can try to make close to 20 points in the center, if they can get the whole thing. Unfortunately, I think I have the chance to play either at or around A or B should white take one or the other.
C is an attack on my left side, and one I've thought about a lot.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X b 3 a . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . 2 . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


90 activates weak points at both A and B. The only way to defend both is with the ungainly shape of 81. Trying to defend one or the other cuts just gives up too much for my comfort.

So, really, white's only options are to try to make territory in the center, or.. well, there's one other thing, that I've avoided talking about, in case it makes it true..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X a X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


90 here is a deep submarine invasion. The weaknesses at A and B make it.. possible. Not easy, but.. possible. We'll see if white is crazy enough to try it. I hope not, because I'm not so good at dealing with such things.

I think the proper answer for black is..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X 5 7 b . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . 3 . 4 6 X a O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . c 8 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this, white gets to play a, black gets B, and white C makes black 97 dead. Black cries about his lost territory, and attacks the middle fiercly in order to make up for it.

But who knows, I may be missing a black tesuji, and I'm hoping white won't see the submarine until I can play a fix.

This is just a snapshot of things that run through my head while waiting for other people's moves...

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:45 am
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X 0 . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I haven't had time to look at this as carefully as I intended, but I should be OK with this. There is some tricky aji, but I can't really afford to be overly cautious at this point in the game.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:14 pm
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Normally, you wouldn't hane here. But, white's corner is weak. If they cut my stone off...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 5 . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O 3 . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 4 . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


5 becomes problematic for white. I'd like to cut at 3 directly, but..
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 2 5 . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O 1 3 X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 4 . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the sequence through 98 leaves me short on liberties.

For right now, I'm just going to play simply, and see how white reacts.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:01 pm
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 2 . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously, I can't permit either atari here, so I must extend. This kills that peeping stone from earlier, so it's acceptable. He's going to have to come back and take care of that cut eventually too. It's possible that I might lose a couple of stones in the middle, but they're not too important. Hopefully I can make a little center territory and then make up some ground in endgame.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:13 pm
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . 3 . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White has chosen to defend simply. Since there's still some aji around my stone, I can let that be for now. The center is much more concerning to me, at this instant.

My move is designed to poke into the center, and limit the chance of white cutting me off. At the same time, it opens up some aji that's left around the akwardness of d11

This is enough to make it mostly sente at this moment. After this move, I plan to break away for a moment to play n2, to quash the submarine invasion that I mentioned earlier. n2 is smallish, but defends against a large invasion, so I want it soon.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:30 am
by fwiffo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O 4 . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . b . . a X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O 4 . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:w94: threatens both a and b, so it's at least sente, assuming he comes up with a suitable way to handle both. After black responds, I'll decide if the follow-up is sente or if it's actually worth enough to take gote.

I'm going to count again soon, and decide if I can make enough in the center to make the game still playable.

Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:54 pm
by CSamurai
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Awww. White's really not messing up a lot here. Hard for me to widen my lead much when they just keel playing well. In fact, with the result on top, I may have slipped to within 10 points or so. With that in mind, I must protect against the submarine on this move. If white tries to surround/kill my group, I've got life on the left.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm95 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . X O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . 7 6 . 3 2 X . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X 5 O 4 8 . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . X 9 . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 0 . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Akward shape is akward, but alive. The center is damaged a little by my life, but not so much that I can't still interfere, and the largest move on the board at this point is the submarine invasion at A if I don't play 1. So, now's the time to take a deep breath, and play the game that I want to play, not the game that fears white.


I think this may be my only move today, I'm exhausted and want to be thinking clearly for what's coming.
All times are UTC-07:00
Page 7 of 8

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited