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87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:31 pm
by Jedo
I think white has gotten far too heavy in the past few moves while burning aji. For example:
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This might be better.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:35 pm
by ketchup
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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 52
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So, I really want to make use of the aji at f5. It is pretty interesting. I know I should be stronger before taking this attack. The problem comes in with my next move. How do I reinforce without revealing the aji? I know he'll become suspicious after something like this:

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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 52
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It just screams out that he should defend. I think it's too easy on black to let him fix his aji with something like the marked move here.

It is a dangerous game I am playing. I know it's already very difficult for me, but I believe this is the best point of attack for white. Again, I really dislike the idea of ruining my own aji, so it could be a mistake by me. I enjoy playing in this way though. I think it may lead to a bit of fighting, so the more I force myself to read, the better it is.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:48 pm
by Aphelion
To Ketchup:
If you know a move is bad... maybe you shouldn't play it. To be me it heavily seems like you are letting your feelings and how you wish the game to turn out cloud your rational judgement. Sometimes you have to make a certain move no matter how much you dislike its "feeling".

TBH, when I look at most of the thinking behind your moves, the first instinct I get is that White doesn't deserve to win.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:03 pm
by ketchup
Aphelion wrote:To Ketchup:
If you know a move is bad... maybe you shouldn't play it. To be me it heavily seems like you are letting your feelings and how you wish the game to turn out cloud your rational judgement. Sometimes you have to make a certain move no matter how much you dislike its "feeling".

TBH, when I look at most of the thinking behind your moves, the first instinct I get is that White doesn't deserve to win.



To Aphelion:
It's not that I know a move is bad or not. I do not know that at all. I do not believe I read well enough to say one way or the other. Maybe you misunderstand me when I say I'm hesitant. It's not the moves that's bad, it's that I feel I am unable to support these moves because of my lackluster reading. It's really difficult to tell the majority of the times when a move is aji-keshi or if it is the proper timing for it.

For the most part, I feel the moves I make stem from wanting to play for more than one goal. I dislike moves that seem to just do one thing at one time. I want to try and reach for more. This is the main goal for a lot of my moves. The moves themselves might be mistakes, but the goal is definitely that. This is why you see some of the moves I've made. I read things out to the best of my abilities as well. It's not that I take it lightly. I try over and over to read it out as best as I can.

Honestly, I'm not too sure I understand why you think white does not deserve to win. I hope once the game is over, you show me moves you thought were overplays(because that's what I'm assuming you think they are, to say such a thing as "white doesn't deserve to win"). In a game like Go, those words are so negative. I do not think this this game is a masterpiece. Obviously not. There's a lot of mistakes I've made, but I thought that was part of the point.

Lastly, I choose to play this way on purpose. It's not like I do not know the consequences of my decisions in the game. I just find some of these decisions more interesting than others. So why not play that way? I'm bound to learn more things in this manner because it pushes me out of what I feel comfortable with. It's not EASY at all to play like this.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:55 am
by Kayres
.. I don't understand :( What is he aiming for? All I can think of is getting some sente plays on the bottom to settle his group there. But it does not seem to work at all.. What I think is the following:


Actually I expected him to play :w4: right away, instead of his last actual move.

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X 4 O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The last diagram is not working because I can simply ignore :w2: . If he connects under, the I can reply. This way I can get a very valuable center move to have the upper hand in an ensuing fight.


This way there is nothing he can be proud of?:

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$$ | . . . . . O 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . . |
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So I am not sure what he wants.. This seems to be a bad exchange. Sometimes if you change the sequence in which moves are played, you get to see the bad moves. This would be an example of this:

It looks like a yose move at best. But actually if you read deeper a looks quite dangerous for me if I ignore him to connect under. I will think about ignoring this when I know he wants that.

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . . . 3 2 1 . . . . . X . . . . . |
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However this is again a move I did not expect. It is a move where I only can play one move in response. So why would he play it? It's so absolute.

And I had also expected something like this:

Why not this way? I just don't understand. Like in the beginning, he played another move that would feel weird to me. But I don't want to judge it actually. I am sure he has got a plan, otherwise he would not play this.

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . O . X 3 O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 4 X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 1 5 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You would expect me to maybe be scared because I simply don't know what he is aiming at, but when I look onto the board, I am so comfortable, I could even pass once and the game would still be playable for me. There is zero pressure I feel.


However I hope you answered to my last question, maybe you have hidden it so I can read it after the game, but could you please give me some feedback at least? I haven't had any since like 40 moves. Do you think it's ok what I show as variations? Do I write too much? Am I too theoretical? You can also say hi like Magicwand said but that would at least tell me that you are reading my thoughts. I don't write this down primarily for me ;)


So my next move is clear, any other move would be too bad.



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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:53 pm
by ketchup
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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 54
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X 4 O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not know the correct move for black in response to my 52. I anticipate a fight, which seems fun to me. This cut has been my goal since I played h3(to vaguely make use of the aji there). It might turn out hard for me, but it seems fun. OR in the end, I misread something and just failed~

Let's see where it leads.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:09 pm
by walleye
I do appreciate that ketchup is sharing his feelings about the game, but I find his reluctance to show his reading a bit annoying.

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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
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$$ | . 9 X O 5 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 3 2 4 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 8 O 6 X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is this his plan?
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
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$$ | . . O 1 . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X 2 X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:07 am
by Kayres
Ok, since you seem not to be interested in what I write, I will skip further comments -.- But seriously, where's the point for me to continue playing this game :scratch:


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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 55
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . B X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:33 pm
by ketchup
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On second thought, I'll just resign here. Thank you for the game. Malkovich games are too tough for me!

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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 6 . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I misread here. On my initial read, I did not realize that black's move would atari me, and I'd be left with little choice:

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[go]$$Wcm56 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 4 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 2 1 3 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 X O O . . . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In that case, I will just take c6, then tenuki to my right group. I guess you can call it a reboot. I think my bottom group is not so weak that it will die. This way also, I will have only one running group.

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[go]$$Wcm56 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . 5 . O 4 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 1 3 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 X O O . . . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not believe he has much profit in trying to attack that group now.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:20 pm
by Kayres
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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 57
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . B O . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:54 pm
by ketchup
On second thought, I'll just resign here. Thank you for the game. Malkovich games are too tough for me!

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:53 pm
by Kayres
ok, thank you for the game. but to be honest i was thinking about resign too -.- so.. you were faster ;P thanks a lot again. now we can read the comments ;)

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:30 pm
by ketchup
Kayres wrote:ok, thank you for the game. but to be honest i was thinking about resign too -.- so.. you were faster ;P thanks a lot again. now we can read the comments ;)


Really? Why? I felt like you were ahead a lot of the time here, and even in the end. I guess I might have been a little late in my resign if it felt like a boring game for you. I think overall, you are too solid for my type of play. It's a shame I couldn't play better. Thank you for the game and the review on KGS.

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:01 am
by Kayres
ketchup wrote:Really? Why? I felt like you were ahead a lot of the time here, and even in the end. I guess I might have been a little late in my resign if it felt like a boring game for you. I think overall, you are too solid for my type of play. It's a shame I couldn't play better. Thank you for the game and the review on KGS.


No not because I was not satisfied with the game, it was really fun and I loved to play it. But it was because nobody replied to my comments why I started to end this here. There is no point in playing a Malkovich game if nobody reads what I think

Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:18 am
by feather
Kayres wrote:There is no point in playing a Malkovich game if nobody reads what I think

True, although some of the Malkovitch players shared that forcing themselves to write their thoughts is beneficial for them also.
Kayres wrote:nobody reads what I think

False. The thread got almost 1500 views which is on par with what other threads get. Just because nobody is commenting doesn't mean that nobody is observing the game and learning from it. Malkovitch games are one of the primary reasons I visit L19 (although I read and enjoy all other subforums)
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