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Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:24 am
by robinz
Hmm. I hope this game hasn't died a death :sad:

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:10 am
by SinK
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . d . . . . . . . . . . . e O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wrote long explanation. Lost it and cannot be bothered to retype. Candidate moves a-e in order I like them nomination numbered.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:21 am
by Mnemonic
bump :!:

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:10 am
by lesenv
Well, if we are going to play in the upper right, i'd choose Sinks nomination.
But I don't know if it's right. White can play in the upper right, it seems slow to me, though. If he chooses to enclose the corner, we can still approach from the top (around M-N16-17).

My nomination:

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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems like whereever he puts a stone, our reply will work with some of our stones.

edit: hid it all ;)

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:36 pm
by SinK
BIC:
lesenv wrote:My nomination:

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems like whereever he puts a stone, our reply will work with some of our stones.


The more I look at this the more I prefer it to my move.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:08 pm
by Redundant
Team:
What's the plan after this?

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:46 pm
by lesenv
Redundant, Black Team:
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[go]$$Wcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'd play this. it works with our new 4-4 stone. sadly it gives up our c12-stone, but it's not completely dead either.
i like the looks of it.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:01 am
by SinK
BIC:
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[go]$$Wcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O a b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 B 1 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . 8 . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think sacrificing the stone is definitely right but I would do it with the moves at 14 and 16 because it wins us the point lesenv suggested while forcing white to respond. 17-2 seems like a reasonable continuation then but it does end giving white sente and leaving us vulnerable to a monkey jump in the endgame. There are a couple of variations which are lot less settled but I definitely think the first two moves set up our best response and I don't think sacrifice as much territory as ignoring the massive moves still to be made would.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:56 am
by lesenv
BIC:
yeah, what SinK said ;)
the result looks very good to me. they get the monkey jump, but we get some kind of walls facing south and east (center, tengen). let's do it.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:55 am
by Redundant
I'm still trying to get a hold of threeve. He hasn't been on in a long time though. What does everyone think we should do?

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:17 am
by lesenv
I think we should always wait for a week, if someone doesn't show up. we did wait, so let's go on.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:17 am
by SinK
lesenv wrote:I think we should always wait for a week, if someone doesn't show up. we did wait, so let's go on.


+1 though I think if there's nothing much going on for three days that's plenty to be waiting.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:05 am
by Mnemonic
So we probably want to invite someone around 8k to counterbalance me. Maybe we can ask Jordus or Simba. Don't really know any other 8k's heavily involved in Malkovich games :sad:

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:28 am
by SinK
I don't think we should write threeve off but it would be good to keep this thing going.

Re: Teamovich 2

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:30 am
by Redundant
I think a temporary replacement might be a good idea. Having three on the team helps bring out good ideas, I think.