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Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:22 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Since I am unable to find a way to lean constructively, I will simply shore up the weakness on top and leave the middle group to fend. It's not quite time to peep at n9 yet because I might want l10 later. (if white plays something around l10 I will immediately peep)

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:53 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jumping looks sketchy.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:14 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not jumping looks sketchier.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:34 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:06 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:02 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sometimes it's ok to be patient.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:35 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just keep swimming, just keep swimming..

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:05 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 0 X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:44 pm
by Loons
(Obligatory comment about Shaddy's liberties)

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:59 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wish I could hane. Oh well, sente.
My judgment of the position:
I'd like to invade the top right corner soon. After that, a count- I have ~6 points in that corner, 10 in the bottom right, 30ish in the bottom left, 20ish in the top right. 76 in total. White has 20 in the bottom left, 10 or so on the right, 20 or 30 up top. Generously, that is 60 points, and each player has a weak group- I think black is leading slightly. The problems are: I'd like to add a move on the left side soon so that I don't get sealed in, and I don't know that the 3-3 invasion is sente. I'll start by attacking the weak central group, I think, and get sente to go from there.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:16 pm
by cloud
Should be move 72, fixed it in mine.

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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My view on the game:

I agree that black is leading slightly. The game will come down to this fight in the center, in my opinion.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:10 am
by Tommie
Magicwand wrote:for obs only:
:b1: is my first instinct..does it work?
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:01 am
by Magicwand
Tommie wrote:Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D


yes, i did see that move in a flash.
but i also had a feeling that might not produce good result.

i am sure that you would have seen that in a flash also. :bow:

it was an intresting tesuji that will cover two weakness at one move.
it would have been nice if the result was good as that tesuji's appearance.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:40 am
by cloud
Tommie wrote:
Magicwand wrote:for obs only:
:b1: is my first instinct..does it work?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D


Geez, you could hide this you know. Now I'm really curious :-?

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:48 am
by Magicwand
cloud wrote:Geez, you could hide this you know. Now I'm really curious :-?


you can open that hide tag.
it will not effect the game.