[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O 8 . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . 9 . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . 0 . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this either lets me disconnect his groups or capture those two stones. I would just play it now, but it looks like it doesn't work since he can capture my top group first by just pulling out the stone that I just locked down. The game's not looking good, as I assume that he can either seal my living group in sente or force it to scramble while he builds up the middle
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:24 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . 9 . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . 9 . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Natural I think. The Black group does not have two eyes on the side. I do not expect to kill it because White is thin. However, I should be able to seal it in and play first on the right to build my framework.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:15 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , 0 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X 1 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . 2 . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
A good shot by Jedo! I thought he was on the wrong track with and carelessly expected him to continue down the wrong road. I should have simply played around L15 to contain him nicely. The upper right is not interesting so I will not use the trigger to drive him into the heart of my influence. I do not think I can expect to kill him so I do not want to destroy my potential in a fruitless hunt. For I considered J18, letting him play first in the center (I assume he would not answer directly). That would essentially eliminate the remaining bad aji of Black cutting through the thin connection of my left and center stones. However nice that would be tactically, I think it is in the wrong direction strategically. My first thought here is L13 next and push Black to the right before playing a shoulder hit at O10. However, my second thought is stretch to M13 and challenge Black more aggressively. That is what I am still pondering.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:18 am
by ez4u
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Gently! "Do not speak harshly to anybody; those who are spoken to will answer thee in the same way. Angry speech is painful; blows for blows will touch thee." - The Dhammapada (c. B.C. 300) Ch. 10 v. 133
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:59 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X 4 . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . 6 . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
All right, I'm going for it. I'm curious how he's going to respond, and I'm not comitting myself to total chaos just yet, it's more to see if he'll just let me out or if he'll go for the capturing race:
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O 5 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . 0 6 9 O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O 5 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . 0 6 9 O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 3 X X 6 5 O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 4 X . X 7 O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X 8 X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O O X . . X X 9 . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . X X O O . . 0 . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 2 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 3 X X 6 5 O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 4 X . X 7 O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X 8 X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O O X . . X X 9 . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . X X O O . . 0 . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 2 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It woudld go something like this, but I'm not totally sure if I have enough liberties yet so I'll probably have to push out a little more first.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:20 pm
by jts
I fail to see a capturing "race" in Jedo's variations. Am I missing something or is he being unduly cautious?
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:26 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sighhh... I thought I had looked at that! Well, Seems a little more effective than expected. At least I did not go on a hunting expedition with this kind of back door hanging open. So, grit my teeth and get on with it.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:08 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ok, I think he needs to give something up here:
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 9 O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . 0 X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 9 O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . 0 X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 7 X X 0 9 O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 8 X . X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . X X 5 O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O 2 O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X 4 X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 7 X X 0 9 O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 8 X . X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X O . X X 5 O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O 2 O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X 4 X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I win this fight, so will he lose the two stones?
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:14 am
by ez4u
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | 9 X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | 9 X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has a significant problem overall, in my opinion. The gap between the center and the bottom is too large. Black can easily enter around J6. However, if I make an enclosing play in that area, Black can simply reduce from the P11 stone and my center will end up too small. There is a little more clean up in the upper left, but I do not see a clear way forward for White in the center.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:45 am
by gowan
There is so much potential for White reducing Black's areas. It's hard to judge. It looks to me like White is winning on the board but whether it is enough to handle the 15 point reverse komi I don't know.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:19 am
by Jedo
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . 0 . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . 0 . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Doesn't seki use up his liberties, or have I missed the killing sequence?
$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 2 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | 6 . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | 5 X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 2 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | 6 . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | 5 X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:05 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm91 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Next let's check Black's plan for the lower left. There may be some aji left in the side. I still think that White has to be in too many places at the same time in order to win, but let's see how Black will choose to play it out.
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and carelessly expected him to continue down the wrong road. I should have simply played 
around L15 to contain him nicely. The upper right is not interesting so I will not use the trigger to drive him into the heart of my influence. I do not think I can expect to kill him so I do not want to destroy my potential in a fruitless hunt. For 
I considered J18, letting him play first in the center (I assume he would not answer directly). That would essentially eliminate the remaining bad aji of Black cutting through the thin connection of my left and center stones. However nice that would be tactically, I think it is in the wrong direction strategically. My first thought here is L13 next and push Black to the right before playing a shoulder hit at O10. However, my second thought is stretch to M13 and challenge Black more aggressively. That is what I am still pondering. 
Well, 
Seems a little more effective than expected. At least I did not go on a hunting expedition with this kind of back door hanging open. So, grit my teeth and get on with it. 
